The purpose of this blog is to continue the forum discussion that started out on the Domain Magnapool Forum The Domain forum contributors included passed and present Poolrite/Magnapool company officials. The forum was shut down without warning with many unanswered questions from Magnapool. It is my believe that Magnapool/Poolrite used threats of legal action against the forum organisers to get the damming information posted by some of their employees and an ex CEO removed from the internet. The domain forum had over three hundred posts, mainly from industry critics like myself who want to see Magnapools deceptive and misleading advertising stopped. The modern term for the claimed scam is "Greenwashing" The following paragraph is pasted from the Wikipedia site and is an example of term "Greenwashing".
Also taken from Wikipedia, the Australian regulations for companies engaging in Greenwashing practises.
To understand why there is so much negativity toward Magnapool, readers need to know some basic facts about the system and compare them to Magnapools website and other marketing media.
The Magnapool "System" is actually nothing more than existing Poolrite equipment rebadged. It uses the same pump, filter, glass filter media and Salt Water Chlorinator equipment that is available from the companies Poolrite brand. The Magnapool system produces chlorine at the same operating levels using the same process and technology as the Poolrite Chlorinator.
Images below shows greenwashing example 1. ....... often portrayed by changing the name or label of a product to evoke the natural environment or nature—
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| Poolrite Salt Chlorinator |
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| Magnapool Chlorinator |
Same product different labels.
It is rumored that Magnapool are about to release an updated model that will take on a completely different appearance to the Poolrite chlorinator.
Greenwashing example 2...... The term is generally used when significantly more money or time has been spent advertising being green rather than spending resources on environmentally sound practices.
Magnapool have stated on forum posts that they make no claims of any medicinal or well being benefits associated with the Magnapool System. If you view the Magnapool website and advertising material you will quickly see that it is designed to deceive and mislead less educated readers into believing the system does have medicinal & well being benefits with lots of anecdotal references to the benefits of bathing in magnesium mineral water. In truth the small amount of magnesium in a Magnapool swimming pool bares no relation to the Dead Sea or Mineral Baths. If you tried to replicate the Dead Sea mineral level in a swimming pool it would be impossible to swim in it, instead it would become a huge flotation tank. Other examples of deception are shown in the following Magnapool promotional videos links. In video one Ruby's parents are implying or truly believe that the Magnapool is not a chlorine pool, notice the disclaimer at the end. In video 2 they are suggesting that the Parkinsons sufferer is benefiting from the magnapool minerals rather that the know benefits associated with swimming. These are low underhanded marketing tactics aimed at people desperate for a cure and by their own admittance Magnapool have no scientific evidence or claim any health benefits for swimmers using their products.
Greenwashing example 3...... The term is generally used when significantly more money or time has been spent advertising being green rather than spending resources on environmentally sound practices.
Magnapool are advertising environmental benefits for pool owners using the process of diluting the backwash water which will allows them to use the water on gardens and plants without any resulting salt damage. There is nothing unique in diluting salt water for recycling, it can be done with any type of pool water. More importantly there is nothing "green" about using a five to one ratio of valuable freshwater to magnapool water to allow it to be used on gardens.
So what are the differences between the Magnapool system and other salt water chlorinator systems? The simple answer is that the "salt" is the only difference. Instead of using sodium chloride to produce chlorine Magnapool have a blend of sodium chloride, magnesium chloride and potassium chloride to produce chlorine. There are several companies selling these blended salts for use with salt water chlorinators.
The con is that Magnapool are using elaborate, deceptive and misleading marketing methods using anecdotal references to the possible transdermal benefits of magnesium absorption that in reality relate to mineral baths containing 30 times the concentration of the magnapool minerals.
Great effort and expense has gone into designing media content that convinces the less informed pool owner that they require the expensive "Magnapool equipment" to get a healthier pool system.
Magnapool say they have thousands of happy customers with few complaints. These customers have purchased a salt water chlorinator, the design and technology has been perfected over the last 30 years so they are unlikely to have any issues with sanitation or reason to complain. If they read and believed the Magnapool marketing hype I am sure many customers will have that "feels healthy" moment every time they enter the pool. Their feelings might change when they learn the truth, that they could have the same result for $1000's less.
Can there be a better definition of "Greenwashing" than this. I think not, but it is unsustainable in practise. In the sort term Magnapool have got away from the possible problem of pool owners buying Magnapool salt from a pool shop to discover it works just as well with their existing less expensive salt chlorinator. They have done this by limiting supply channels through selected resellers who are hooked into the con by the attractive margins and convincing media campaigns. This is a win win for manufacture and reseller but short lived in terms of sustainability and sure to alienate the honest industry peers and anger consumers when the truth gets out.
This link will take you to a earlier forum that was eventually stopped by the moderator. The Magnapool inventor was caught trying to deceive a forum member into believing the Magnapool system did not producing chlorine. This was just the start as more evidence of the companies underhanded and deceiving ways came through along with some alarming information about the dangers of Magnesium chloride damaging concrete and pool surrounds.
The Magnapool website has links to research, universities and Prof. Ross Barnard. It gives the impression that some serious testing has been conducted on Magnapool water, but if you dig deeper you find it is the work of students useing anecdotal evidence on the benefits of soaking in far higher levels of minerals than would not be safe or feasible economically in a swimming pool.
Why are Magnapool getting away with this scam? Simple,they have a large wallet and presence in the Australian market place. The have gambled on people not questioning the ethics of their companies product claims.
If Magnapool can produce irrefutable independent research that contradicts the claims here or get a ruling from the office responsible for the Trade Practices Act in Australia that they are not using misleading and deceptive marketing practices I will be happy to delete this blog. Until then I will do everything possible to warn people of the truth behind this product.
FOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
ReplyDelete1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
The Magnapool is being marketed as an innovative swimming pool sanitiser when Magnapool is a rebadged Poolrite S4000 salt water chlorinator with loads of deceitful marketing and no substance.
There is no disputing that magnesium is beneficial to humans but there is not enough magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers. If there were levels of magnesium that were beneficial to bathers the pool filtration system would fail very quickly and the cement surface of the pool would be destroyed.
Magnapool operates the same way as millions of other brands of salt water chlorinators sold by hundreds of manufactures world-wide.
Magnesium salts have been used since th einception of electrolytic salt water chlorinators since 1972 when the first article was written about the 400 ppm of Magnesium in sea water aiding in the prevention of hard deposits in such cells.
DeleteSince 1972 there are many pools using sea water and magnesium salts for this purpose. I know of no pool that has broken dowm because of the magnesium chloride present in such pools.
However the use of sulphates in concrete pools does present a problem. Calcium sulphate when forming in hair line craks and crevices is an expanding precipitate as it forms and yes about 1 in 20 of such pools do have a crazing problem. So the use of sulphates in concrete surface pools is not advised in any form.
Magnesium is commonly sold as Magnesium Sulphate (Epsom Salts) and as such is nt advused for concrete pools.
Also one should note when reading abot magnesium causing concrete failure that the description of the problem quotes a brown muddy colour. All salts of calcium and magnesium are white or off white. To infer brown indicates other metals at play such as iron.
Sorry to be off track but though a few pointers of what is happening may be in order.
Ted Romer BSc Ind Chem
The Magnapool company recently exhibited at the Piscine BCN where it was actually awarded a prize for innovation for what its calling the DaVinci system. Rumour has it that they will be stripped of their award as the unit they submitted was made from polystyrene and not a functional working model. It was a model allright, all painted and pretty but nothing actually worked.
ReplyDeleteThe company apparently did this the year before in Lyon with their Ecosystem, again attempting to con the industry that the product was ready to be released.
You can see the company representatives at www.magnapool.com punching the air in jubilation. I wonder how they will feel after the award is taken back.
More deceit from this company.
So many rats deserting the ship as it continues to sink.
The following information is extracted from the logs of a forum that is no longer online. The Magnapool staff were active forum posters and despite hundreds of chances and requests to provide any evidence that could refute the greenwashing/scam claims they were unable to refute any of the them:
ReplyDeleteRandom Former-Bystander alias of most of the Magnapool posters. The reason there are so many posts is because everyone is on to your crime of misleading and deceiving the public. The train wreck started last November on the Whirlpool Magnapool forum when you were caught lying, deceiving and misleading the public which started as soon as you jumped into the forum abusing the forum rules to promote Magnapool which also resulted in a lot of your posts been removed.
Your answer to the first question "Does Magnapool produce chlorine"? set the scene and highlighted Poolrites deceptive methods and lack of ethics. If anyone needs reminding just google "Whirlpool Magnapool" and read the 11th post. Since then your scam has been blown wide open and it isn't going to go away until you change your marketing content or the authorities step in and act to protect consumers.
Anyone sifting through the 300 posts will quickly see that you have produced nothing to defend your critics claims. Having a large wallet to produce realms of convincing media does not give you the right to rip families off.
Chateauneuf du Pape.8/2/2011 3:52:17 PM
Hello Joe.
The Monsieur Rossi le Peau wallet is no longer large, unfortunately.
Extract from ASIC on his financials, page 13 of 23 Re INTERCOLONIAL BORING COMPANY PTY LTD,ACN 010 846 714 FORM 388 Public document available from ASIC for $38, good value AND interesting reading, reveals for financial year ended 2010;
1. Accumulated losses $37,117,407. Yes million
2. Total liabilities $27,456,273. Yes million
3. Total current assets, deducting the loan from self to self of only $4,339,405.
On this snapshot a net worth of MINUS $23,116,868. Yes million.
Oh dear, and with Intercolonial S.P.A. Pty Ltd 001 674 00, the former Poolrite Pty Ltd only making a profit of $1,050,073, page 12 of 26 Form 388.
At this rate it will take 23 years to get back to even.
And if Poolrite is worth say 4 times profit say $4 million.Then the whole ship is down the gurgler by something like $19 million.Just a tad insolvent would you say Monsieur.
Jesus, wonder how Rossi explains that one away.
Maybe shut the site down like last time, as it is getting just to close to the bone and a bit hot.
Is that why his brother Ian Palmer resigned as a director on the 25th August 2010.
Bloody good move Ian.
OH and Ms R D Solomon was appointed on the same day.
Anything else you would like to know? But enough for now.
Joe8/2/2011 5:21:15 PM
Chateauneuf du Pape .... Wow If this is correct it sure explains their reasons for trying to reinvent their salt chlorinator and locking in all their other equipment at the same time.
More from the Domain forum with comments from Magnapool:
ReplyDeleteDissapointed7/23/2011 8:20:53 PM
Surprised.....Rosco are you now telling us that you do not have any independent research on the Magnascam?
don't know Ross or Frank7/23/2011 9:11:12 PM
""Disappointed.
you can view it at any Poolrite Branch as enunciated in previous threads.
the individual researchers will publish in due course as per our agreements with
Their universities""
OK "unconfused" if I take the trouble to vist a Poolrite branch am I going to be able to view independent scientific material that tells me how/why the magnesium chloride in your bag of salts won't damage concrete and stone work, contrary to well documented evidence worldwide warnings of the dangers of magnesium chloride splash out cracking concerte and stonework over time. The same goes with the re badged chlorinator issue. Will I see creditable independent documents from the universities proving that the same cannot be achieved with a standard chlorinator and sand or other glass medias.
Keep going dissapointed there is no internal or external reseach undertaken on Magnapool.
It is just smoke and mirrors. There are a huge number of ex employees, that I am in contact with that, will confirm this.
Dissapointed7/23/2011 11:06:49 PM
Magnascam, we are now hearing from, we understand your CEO at the time of the development of Magnascam that there is no internal or external research been done on your Magnascam!!!!
Furthermore, from other posters on the forum and follow-up on the web, Magnesium and concrete is very dangerous, Magnesium causing extensive damage to concrete over time!!!
How much public liability cover does Poolrite have?
Yossi.7/24/2011 7:55:18 AM
Dissapointed.
Correct again.Last post bombed by the moderator, no need to wonder the poster.Must now have a head of steam.
Let me share some more with you.
I employed as a consultant to Poolrite, a very experienced Industrial Engineer with 40 years experience in designing chlorine plants for the oil industry in the States and the Gulf....He advised;
1.Magnesium and potassium chloride Salts will operate exactly the same as sodium chloride, form an electrolyte solution for the electrolysis process to produce chlorine.Ordinary chlorinators, which the S4000 is, will operate just as effectively, one Magnapool myth debunked.
2. Magnesium chloride must not exceed xx%, cannot divulge that, as it will then produce magnesium hydroxide, a brown sludge which clogs filters, coats cell electrodes and makes them inoperative and difficult to clean and stains and affects pool linings and YES YES concrete deterioration making stains impossible to remove.
3. Dilution recommendation 50/1 before putting on soil.
This good advise was not liked and his services were terminated.
Phoenix are in a joint venture with this consultant for Enviro-Kllen and a the new Ferro-Chlor cell we have jointly developed.
Trust this adds just a bit more.
Yossi.7/24/2011 8:07:52 AM
Dissapointed.
Sorry, forgot to add about the internal and external research at Poolrite....There was none and ex employees tell me there still is none, with no qualified Chemical and Biochemical or Medical staff on the Magnapool project, internally or externally....Hence no scientific data or papers to view.
There are some inexperienced people there looking at some projects but not what you would expect to support the myriad of claims, including health and Medical opinions proferred in their marketing releases.
The Technical Director leading the charge is out of the motor racing and Procar days... Qualification; apprentice motor mechanic who did not complete his second year in the trade.That is more however than Rosco so is a positive......
I rest my case Your Honor.
Dissapointed7/24/2011 8:20:19 AM
Thanks Yossi.
You have confirmed what we and 99% of the industry and public knew. The Magnascam is a green washed S4000 salt water chlorinator, nothing more.
Finally someone is standing up to the bunch of crooks that peddle the Magnapool system. You may get some more posts happening now that you have allowed anonymous posts. Keep up the good work.
ReplyDeleteWhat is Magnapool?
ReplyDeleteLooks like,no it is a typical salt water chlorinator with a bag of salt that is only available from Poolrite.
Nice try Poolrite, but how silly do you think the public are?
Sad thing is you are still getting away with this FRAUD even after you have been outed on so many forums by so many lies.
Karma will prevail.
i'd say we the public must be pretty stupid if "thousands" have been sold.
ReplyDeleteWe were burnt by this crowd as we attended last years pool show and was sold on the idea of Techno pool which boasted a "special pump and backwash set up which meant huge money savings and no water wastage" Nice idea! After being sold the product at the show we waited for the rest of the year until the beginning of 2012 before we were advised that they were no longer able to produce it.
Why? god knows, although we have since been advised that this mob are great at creating ideas that they can't put into reality.
No wonder they are having an award revoked! The model at the show we attended turned out to be just that, a model.
Maybe karma will prevail, by the sounds of their financial situation listed above, it may be in full swing
why am I having trouble keeping chloine levels up, with pool going green yet all other chemistry levels are perfect.
ReplyDeleteAlgae, have your pool shop test for that. It eats the chlorine
ReplyDeleteI KNOW ITS ALGAE, But the Magna doesn't seem to be holding its residual overnight, yet stabilizer ok. Also there is this white chalky powder over tiles, yet magna said there will be no marking like salt.
ReplyDeleteInterseting also was your coment on brown slug which I am experiencing, and your plaster damage is a cause of concern.
The information re the accounts of IBC & solvency
ReplyDeleteis quite misleading on the part of 1 Pooltech.
The accumulated losses go back to 1996 when
the company wrote down the value of it's investment in Australian National Industries. ($37 million).
The liabilities of ($27 million) are in the main loans from Ross Palmer himself to the IBC entity.
I think if you check ASIC records now 1 Pooltech you will see that Ross Palmer has converted those loans to equity.
Of course the ex CEO who was actually fired was yourself.
You are supposed to be an accountant but i would not trust you to count the jelly beans in a lolly jar.
You completely ignore reality and I suspect that you have breached google's terms of service for content here.
Frank has his own little Greenwashing promotion going on passing off Enviro Kleen Salts as magnapool whilst they are loaded with Sodium Chloride.
Queensland Office of Fair trading will be making a visit quite soon about this matter and the www.phoenixpoolequipment.com.au website claiming you can run a heat pump for less than the cost of a refrigerator
Congratulations to the team at Poolrite Europe for succesfully starting up the 750,000 litre Bio Design magnapool at the Relilax hotel near Venice Italy.
ReplyDeleteRelilax has a worldwide reputation for wellness and mineral spring bathing that goes back 120 years.
Relilax are the leaders in the Mirramonte area in wellness tourism and have just spent over 20 million Euros on this new centre.
Their decision to go against the tide of 200 mineral springs hotel using underground water is a huge endorsement for Magnapool.
The patrons are absolutley loving the pool which has now been open for 2 weeks.
You can view the hotel & see a rendering of the magnapool which is heated to 35 degrees at www.relilax.com
details can be found at www.relilax.com
Hello 1Pooltech
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen you since 6 years and you are really become an angry old man. Rosco is having great success in Europe with Magnapool. I have a number of hotels in Austria who are interested in the Magnapool system also famous race drivers who have recently visited RELILAX Hotel in Italy and they are just so exited about the possilbity of having similar instalation in Austria. "IT TAKES ALL THE PAIN OUT OF THEIR BACK" which has come form low frequency vibrationsin. How can you possibly say that this is a SCAM when you read the website of the swimming pool and spa association of QLD which conducted a full investigation one month before you started this blog in September last year. SPASA completly squashed your opinions when you complained to them in August. When you type into google "SPASA Greenwashing Magnapool" you will see that indeed
all your claims are outright lies! I try to find an easier word than lies but I have to say it as I see it......
Surely Magnapool would work in any pool or spa if sized correctly as the technology used in the Magnapool system has been around for 50 years.
ReplyDeleteMagnapool's parent company Poolrite has sold thousands of salt water chlorinators and the Magnapool power supply is just a poolrite S4000 Chlorinator with a different label.
All the hype about wellness and health benefits from swimming in a Magnapool due to the Magnesium and potassium is rubbish...yes Magnesium and Potassium have health benefits but there is not enough of these minerals in a Magnapool to have any health benefits for bathers.
If there was enough Magnesium and Potassium in a Magnapool the pool would be unmanageable very quickly the water would turn to a sludge and any type of filtration used would block up very quickly....within hours.
So basically the claims of a Magnapool having health benefits are totally wrong for the reason above, not enough minerals in a Magnapool if there were the pool filtration would fail very quickly.
Magnapool is a typical salt water chlorinator but Magnapool owners cannot buy the secret Magnapool salt at Bunnings or the local pool shop for around $10 for a 20kgs bag, no they have to buy the Magnapool salt from Poolrite at $66 for a 20kgs bag...$66 a 20kgs bag.
Are you starting to see the marketing angle here.
Not to mentioned in the beginning you need to buy a complete system Magnapool from Poolrite at around $8000, same equipment available from many other suppliers approx $3000.
Its all about capturing the residual income from salt sales with deceptive marketing.
Anonymous you are so full of it.
ReplyDeleteYou well know that Poolrite has a patent on the system and that Astral Pool withdrew their competing product
mineral max in July of last year.
A character by the name of Frank Slowiak reverse engineered the magnapool minerals and sold the formula to Astral Pool.
A company called Blue Haven Pools in Sydney was selling their own version called Enviro Smart .
They found out that it was not that easy and had hell's own trouble with the natural flocculant in magnapool gumming up cartridges in no time flat.
There are hundreds of installations by blue Haven that are crippled and the Frank Slowiak/ Astral pool answer was to come up with a new formula for mineral pools called Aqua Therepe that would give no troubles.
What a scam it seems to be 87% sodium salt & 10 % potassium salt with no magnesium (it gums up cartridges) and 3 % boric acid which needs a warning label on the bag which is not there.
THIS DOES NOTHING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
If you head to the magnapool website you will see many 3rd party research papers .
As far as the price of $8,000 you seem to be deluded
The new recommended reatail price for the new magnapool Eco Systems is around $2,500.
They come standard with the new Gemini Twin 7 star
RC controlled multispeed pump and ph control without probes also standard.
A lot of other goodies as well .
The pumps are already in the NSW market together with the new patent pending hydrOzone leonardo cells .
typically salt chlorinators have a single line of sanitation defense & that is the generation of chlorine.
Generation 2 was magnapool had as a first natural removal of presursors the use of magnesium as both a flocculant and coaggulant .
it is not uncommon for magnapools to get to be 1 & 3 micron which registers as zero turbidity.
The especially graded patent pending diamond kleen filtration media was able to handle the removal of particulate matter that would otherwise be oxidized by chlorine. ( less chlorine needed and more inportantly no disinfection by products to speak of.
The generation 3 magnapool cell makes copious quantities of Ozone and Hydrogen Peroxide through the patent pending "pressure dissolution chamber"
normally Ozone is made via corona discharge or
UV.
both have drawbacks and corona discharge especially also introduces nitrogen dioxide into the pool .
Very little is able to be dissolved via venturi, however it now seems that Poolrite is the first swimming pool equipment company to be able to generate the oxidants at the cathode and anode which is far more effective.
The oxdizing power of the combined free radical oxygen gases rates at just under the level of fluorine
and the beauty is that they can even kill crypto sporidium but they are able to revert back to water
and oxygen before the pool returns.
There are various names for these mixed oxidants .
The russians call it Electro chemical disinfection,NASA calls it Trioxidane & another brand is PEROXONE.
I like the "hydrOzone process" brand that poolrite have come up with as it encompasses hydroxination (floc & coaggulant) ,hydrogen peroxide & ozone.
The beauty is that these oxidants are doing all the work and the hypochlorous residual is there for safety.
anonymous there are many myths about the magnapool process and you seem to be repeating them.
The magnapool process is more than a simple electrolysis machine and now that Poolrite have over 7000 systems in the market with not one disatisfied customer bleatings on this website are starting to fall on deaf ears.
Apparently in Europe , magnapool is able to recommend chlorine levels as low as .3ppm and up to .6ppm.
Naturally Magnapool are having more success in Europe, The Magnapool scam has not been exposed there, yet! It is only a matter of time, experts in other english speaking countries like the the USA saw through it once Magnapool were challenged on forums there. I expect the language barrier will be helping them with the deceptive and misleading tactics for a while.
ReplyDeleteGiven their track record to date I wouldn't be surprised if the Relilax Hotel near Venice Italy is unaware it is no more than a traditional salt chlorinator producing normal levels of chlorine while exposing bathers to the usual nasty side effects. They could unknowingly be deceiving their clients with misleading information supplied to them.
Hate to burst your bubble but your fancy phrases and attempts to fool those less knowledgeable will ultimately lead to your products demise.
ReplyDeleteYour comment:
I like the "hydrOzone process" brand that poolrite have come up with as it encompasses hydroxination (floc & coaggulant) ,hydrogen peroxide & ozone.
The beauty is that these oxidants are doing all the work and the hypochlorous residual is there for safety.
Fact: The oxidants of hydrogen peroxide and ozone are produced by all salt chlorinator cell plates. There are plenty that have highlighted and claimed this before Poolrite. So please cut the crap and learn from your previous mistakes.
anonymous .
ReplyDeleteYou are a genius however I will give you a trinket but no cigar.
I would love to be watching your face when you see the back to back tests of a conventional chlorinator cell vs
a Leonardo "pressure disollution cell"
Simmons & Bristow the respected Queensland Water Scientists worked with Poolrite in a NATA laboratory &
measured the following
OZONE 10 times conventional cell.
HYDROGEN PEROXIDE 20 times conventional cell.
Copious gases mix & bingo hydrOzone.
It didn't happen in 5 minutes it took 5 years of research after some interesting observations from a self generated mishap.
Of course they are not the first but the amount generated ,together with floc, and hypochlorous make this an interesting development.
As for your comments regarding the Europeans what would you know.
You sound like some knuckle dragging service tech working out of a beat up toyota hi ace.
sorry friend nice try but no cigar and once again Poolrite has beaten their competition to the punch.
That is the power of innovation & dedication by a bunch of engineers who are passionate about what they do.
Not some worn out "cement mixer" formulator who bounced a check for $2,300 ,scammed some heat exchangers & has the police hunting him down.
Does EVO INDUSTRIES ring a bell.
The GM is still furious & you have not had the decency to repay him.
folks work this anonymous guy out for yourselves.
he is a con & now a thief.
Poolrite worked on it for 5 years.
Starting to get a little green with envy again I see
Franz
Hi Mr.Magnapool would you like to comment on the earlier post on the forum below.
ReplyDeleteThe Magnapool company recently exhibited at the Piscine BCN where it was actually awarded a prize for innovation for what its calling the DaVinci system. Rumour has it that they will be stripped of their award as the unit they submitted was made from polystyrene and not a functional working model. It was a model allright, all painted and pretty but nothing actually worked.
The company apparently did this the year before in Lyon with their Ecosystem, again attempting to con the industry that the product was ready to be released.
You can see the company representatives at www.magnapool.com punching the air in jubilation. I wonder how they will feel after the award is taken back.
More deceit from this company.
So many rats deserting the ship as it continues to sink.
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ReplyDeleteMr. Magnapool,
ReplyDeleteYou never answered the question, again did you get caught cheating for the second time and get the award with drawn?
Just answer the question, we are not interested in what they liked....because what you presented was BS.
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The Magnapool company recently exhibited at the Piscine BCN where it was actually awarded a prize for innovation for what its calling the DaVinci system. Rumour has it that they will be stripped of their award as the unit they submitted was made from polystyrene and not a functional working model. It was a model allright, all painted and pretty but nothing actually worked.
The company apparently did this the year before in Lyon with their Ecosystem, again attempting to con the industry that the product was ready to be released.
You can see the company representatives at www.magnapool.com punching the air in jubilation. I wonder how they will feel after the award is taken back.
More deceit from this company.
So many rats deserting the ship as it continues to sink.
Dear Mr. N.V. Green.
ReplyDeleteI think he did answer the question and i am extremely impressed with his answer .
Poolrite is definitely going places.
The Barcelona Pool Show winner is in our front lobby and you can come and see it anytime wherein you will discover that is SRP & not polystyrene .
Now why don't you answer a few questions that readers might find interesting to hear the answers.
1. Are you Franz Albert Slowiak the man who formulated the cement mixer test for Fake Magnapool minerals.
2. Were you not collaborating with Astral Pool to overturn Poolrite patents?
3. Astral withdrew their products from the market because of patent infringement and massive problems with your mixture clogging up cartridge filters .
4. are you not the brains behind their latest scam
Aqua Therepe which is 87% sodium chloride ( common salt) 10 % potassium chloride & 3 % boric acid ( which requires labelling.)?
Do not these ingredients in Aqua Therepe cost only
$2.70 and you retail them for $30 per bag telling people that they have a mineral pool ?
5. What a neat way to get around the massive problems you have in the field with Enviro Kleen & mineral max ?
6. Is it true that in fact the office of fair trading in queensland is in fact investigating you?
7. is it true that you are a well known con man who is being pursued by the police for passing bad checks?
8. We have a handle on your ISP address . lol.
9. Where is your legitimacy and what academic research have you done to form such grossly wild and inaccurate statements about Poolrite.?
YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING YOUR ISP ADDRESSES FOR OVER 18 MONTHS WITH YOUR 20 ODD ALIASES. and shallow rhetoric unsupported and unsubstantiated .
Your nonsense about students performing research is just that TOTAL NONSENSE.
Finally where is your academic research that justifies your total drivel.
It is obvious Mr.Magnaross by your avoidance of the questions re Magnapool being caught deceiving the judging panel at the Piscine BCN that it is true. Caught once again by your deceiving marketing and lies.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have a vengeance towards your ex CEO of Poolrite, this forum is not here for you to denigrate this gentleman character it is here to expose the scam that is Magnapool. By your avoidance to answer simple questions about your product only validates these questions being put forward for the public to see.
The Magnapool company recently exhibited at the Piscine BCN where it was actually awarded a prize for innovation for what its calling the DaVinci system. Rumour has it that they will be stripped of their award as the unit they submitted was made from polystyrene and not a functional working model. It was a model allright, all painted and pretty but nothing actually worked.
The company apparently did this the year before in Lyon with their Ecosystem, again attempting to con the industry that the product was ready to be released.
You can see the company representatives at www.magnapool.com punching the air in jubilation. I wonder how they will feel after the award is taken back.
More deceit from this company.
So many rats deserting the ship as it continues to sink.
If N.V.Green (anonymous) can produce irrefutable evidence that supports his claims or get a ruling from the office responsible for the Trade Practices Act that he is not using misleading and deceptive marketing practices to support his unsubstantiated claims, I will be happy to delete this blog.
ReplyDeleteUntil then I will do everything possible to warn people about the founder of this unmoderated blog.
The students that he refers to in his opening statements are in fact university graduates with 2 of them holding masters degrees & supported by their professors .
Their are many references on the magnapool website to the actual research.
This blog was started on the premise that their needed to be an investigation ,however that investigation had been fully carried out by SPASA Queensland exactly one month before this blog commenced.
The magnapool company has over 7000 satisfied customers with installations all over the world.
The best that this blogger can come up with to refute the overwhelming endorsement of a fantastic new product is to focus on Europeans being dumb.
The award winning eco system can be viewed in the lobby of the company's premises in Mt. Gravatt , Queensland.
" The term rats deserting a sinking ship" is a tired cliche used by Franz Albert Slowiak in the Queensland magistrates court on 21/12/2011 in a hearing whereby he was charged with stalking.
( copies of the magistrates court transcript are also held in the company's premises.
It is our belief from tracking ISP adresses that all of the negative posters on this website are in fact one and the same Franz Albert Slowiak.
Under oath in the magistrates court Franz was outed as a man who did in fact frequent blogs with various aliases after he initially lied to the magistrate.
There is only one vengeful act going on here & that is the postings of this person under various aliases in an unmoderated blog.
The only "rat deserting a sinking ship" is the 100% of employees who left Phoenix Pool Equipment in 2010.
The Poolrite Company has been around for 33 years ,employs over 150 dedicated people in Australia and France.
The business is quite mature and the 3 senior executives who run the business on a day to day basis for the owner who is involved in a research subsidiary have over 50 years combined experience in the industry.
The poolrite company is expanding quite dramatically and attempts to denigrate it's owner by defamation will be resisted strongly .
I would forget about your infatuation with this guy called Frank Mr Poolrite/Magnapool you have far bigger issues than him.
ReplyDeleteFOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
The Magnapool is being marketed as an innovative swimming pool sanitiser when Magnapool is a rebadged Poolrite S4000 salt water chlorinator with loads of deceitful marketing and no substance.
There is no disputing that magnesium is beneficial to humans but there is not enough magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers. If there were levels of magnesium that were beneficial to bathers the pool filtration system would fail very quickly and the cement surface of the pool would be destroyed.
Magnapool operates the same way as millions of other brands of salt water chlorinators sold by hundreds of manufactures world-wide.
Magnapool you are most welcome to posts your views and comments if the content is kept on topic, but this is my blog and I draw the line at your relentless personal attacks and slander of individuals. These comments will be removed or edited.
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ReplyDeleteOnce In A While or should I say Ross Palmer it is clear to all that you attempt to move off topic & slander your ex CEO whenever you are backed into a corner and have no answer. I have stated many times that I have never met Frank, never met you and know only a handful of people in australia or the australia pool industry.
ReplyDeleteSo why do this. Simple, I hate to see people been ripped off. Anyone with an industry background researching magnapool quickly saw this was an elaborate but clever way to rebrand an existing salt chlorinator. I have learnt a lot about you since you started your blasphemy campaign against you previous CEO. I know that you are a rich mans son who thinks he can bully or buy his way through life and cares little about others unless they can be of use to you. Taking advantage of families by deceptive and misleading marketing is a low act. I suggest you check out the following link and see how many boxes you tick or better still have one of your staff tick them for you.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
The internet is a great leveler I don't have your money but I do have knowledge, I'm guessing this is a rare occasion where you can't control or buy your way out. You must be ready to explode by now, You & your staff continue to send me messages of threats of legal action as you have to others around the world that have highlighted your scam. Well all the information and threads are well documented if and when required.
Save yourself some stress and money, just prove me wrong and as said previously, I will remove the content from the internet. Of course if you are unable to do this, just face the fact your product greenwashing scam has been exposed and money can't buy you out of this one. Honesty can be quite rewarding.
Your last post about you ex CEO was off topic again and will be removed.
Dear Mr. Dictator,
ReplyDeleteAmazing rules for your forum .
You are allowed to defame & slander the boss ,who by the way only met with David Close on maybe 4 occasions in 10 years.
he could hardly be described as a "personal close friend".
Your comments regarding SPASA & it's objectivity move heavily into the field of "tortious Inteference & malicious falsehoods".
I cannot believe that google would allow completely unmoderated blogs ,that require the "DEFAMED" to apply for a court order to shut down what is obviously the work of a "commercial internet troll"
who has systematically attempted to destroy the work of a legitimate company with legitimate employees , over 400 distributors & dealers in around 20 countries.
have you ever heard of the saying.
"You can fool some of the people some of the time,most of the people most of the time, but you cannot fool all of the peoplde all of the time."
So you would have us believe that you against the credible work of 4 academic institution faculties ,numerous other outside consultants ,employees, satisifed end users etc. are the lone voice in vigilant dissent.
Your other You Tube "commercial trolling exercise".
Endorsing the Astral product "Mineral Max" is still up for all to see even though Astral have withdrawn the product from the market some 8 months ago due to "potential patent infringement problems" & massive technical issues in the field with "Blue Haven Pools ".
You had 2 attempts at overturning our patent at the Federal Patent Office in Canberra and were rebuffed with our patent being validated and so would you like an investigation into Ross Palmer & his friends at the patent office?
You are a complete bitter ex employee who has been unable to get his own way and is hell bent on revenge against you former employer POOLRITE.
You and your many other names, very obvious, prove only one thing, that you have an axe, for what ever reason, to grind against Poolrite and will stop at nothing to vent your anger.
ReplyDeleteI purchased a pool from Blue Haven, big mistake, putting aside the actual pool problems the equipment proved to be a problem as well. The equipment and mineral blend were provided by Astral Pool which in the first two months the pump was replaced 4 times, the PCB on top of the pump 3 times, the cell 3 times and the black box controller twice and the hydrospin starting to fill with a green algae, all in two months.
Astral had lost an action against them for breach of patent, this however did not stop Blue Haven from placing the blend, directly on to a dry pool lining, into my pool a month after receiving a letter from Astral advising not to use the blend, also knowing that they would not be able to supply more after the Blue Haven stock ran out.
Blue Haven on recommendation from Astral advised me to run the system 24/7 on the lowest of the 3 speeds, which led to a constant low mineral light warning being on and the cell constantly being half filled with hydrogen gas, a bomb just waiting to blow my house apart.
The Astral blend contained 5% mag chloride, a product which in high volumes is known to attack the plaster in the pool lining, and here are the guys dumping approx 6 kg directly on to a dry lining and adding water, totally placing the entire lining in jeopardy.
Finally to the Astral guys that come to my home advising that my saline should be at least 4000 ppm, for a mineral pool !!! And the representative that advised me that their new product was exactly the same as the old, when if fact it was totally different and contained 87% salt and no magnesium.
And then after some calling around and asking for help along came Poolrite, these guys actually talked to me and were able to sell me and change over for me a complete system, one with a lot less right angle bends and plumbing. This system works brilliantly the water is now crystal clear, totally tasteless and odorless, we don't need to shower after swimming and have no residual smell or product on our skin, add to this the benefits of a mag pool and we only have all upside.
So in my opinion if any company needs to be closely looked at for deceptive advertising and poor customer service I would suggest that Austral should be at the top of the list.
Also if you think that all these comments on any of these sites do any good then companies like Blue Haven with their many thousands of negative comments would have been out of business many years ago.
Hi Magnapool.
ReplyDeleteWe are not really interested to hear about Austral Pools or Blue Haven pools this forum is to highlight Magnapools deceptive marketing and Green washing of there old salt water chlorinator.
You have made a big thing previously about the University research that was supposedly done on Magnapool. When this is in fact another series of lies and deception being perpetrated by Magnapool.
A little research into Navin Chandrasekaran shows that he received CEED funding from Poolrite, nothing wrong with that in fact I commend Poolrite for this. The problem is when Poolrite/Magnapool try to infer that this is a legitimated University research project into there product and then use it to validate there fraud.
Navin Chandrasekaren project was to research the benefits of Magnesium in water "via the skin" There was no research done on the Magnapool as being infered on the Magnapool web site.
Furthermore Navin is recommending clnical trials research to be done on an actual Magnapool.
This will not happen.
Reason is the results of recommended clinical trials would show that there is no health or welness benefit from swimming in a Manapool due to the fact that there is insufficient levels of Magnesium or Potassium in a Magnapool to benefit human beings
Oh for gods sake!
ReplyDeleteYou all need to grow up and stop with the childish behaviour
With reference to the last post.
ReplyDeleteThis is certainly not childish behaviour.
This is a very serious matter when a company is trading and profiteering on lies and deception.
Using sick and infirm people to promote there deception with false hope of miracle cures and the fountain of youth.
Very serious and fraudulent.
To the snake oil sales people at Magnapool man up answer the questions poised on this forum.
This is easily stopped present your evidence, but it will not happen as there is none, only more lies and deception.
I'm not Magnapool, you were looking for real people to read this rubbish and here I am, I also just happen to have other examples of deceptive marketing from other pool companies, but because of your closed mind and rage you can't possible see past it. So I have not made mention of any trials or other people but your rage won't let you see that.From what I can read in the blogs you worked at Astral so the problems I have had with my pool are of your doing and therefore very relevant to this blog how about you stand up to some of your own actions.
ReplyDeleteOnce in a while wrote the following in a post earlier.
ReplyDelete"""""Amazing rules for your forum ."""
The rules of Pooltech1's forum are no different from the rules of Magnapools website. Magnapool are in total control of their website and the misleading deceiving content that is on it. And they talk about the malicious falsehoods of others. Amazing!
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ReplyDeletePrincess Vienna,
ReplyDeleteThis blog is too professional for "grumpy Old Man" on his own.
Our IT people believe that he has a few partners in this
slander of Greenwash.
If you notice that they are always talking about chlorine and so we believe it is a company selling IONIZERS ,which are copper & silver and use no chlorine.
In Australia by law you cannot sell these on their own as it is against the law.
magnapool has made huge inroads into this market ,becuase they say "chlorine free" but if you look carefully at their website you see that in the small print for the United States market where no chlorine is OK.
Ionization is a terrible thing for the environment because the copper goes back into the environment & kills all the flora & fauna in the ecosystem of waterways.
Also we did some tests on nature 2 which is also a silver & copper system .
Afterv 1 month the build up of copper in the pool was beyond the acceptable levels for humans.
This blogger whoever he is does not understand that chlorine is ok ,as long as it is in small quantities and does not make a disinfectant by product.
Why does the Magnapool people not just address all the points that have been put up against there product in a single post.
ReplyDelete(or even a few of the points raised)
As the author of the blog has stated if there is irrefutable evidence to support the Magnapool sales pitches he will take the blog down.
Nothing so far that has been posted supports the sales pitch Magnapool is using.
All the resent posts that have appeared to come in support of Magnapool have been aimed at other manufacturers products or the ex CEO of Magnapool trying to divert attention from the object of the blog.
Only an observation.
"Once in a while"
ReplyDeleteI think you are right. It could be www.bioniser.com.au who indirectly bag magnapool on their website.
They are trying to compare magnapool with salt system but they are entirely different, and now with the new hydrOzone process making Ozone & hydrogen peroxide plus a small amount of residual chlorine it is perfect for the Austrian Market...
Nachricht für Franz Albert Sloviak
Du tust mir sooooo leid, wenn Du nichts anderes im Leben hast als Blogs zu erstellen und Unwahrheiten zu verbreiten... und Du weißt am besten wie viele Lügen bereits wiederlegt
wurden!!!
Oh by the way - Stülpst Du immer noch einen Sack über Pauline's Kopf bevor Du zu Bett gehst????
Hallo Magnaross.
ReplyDeleteSie müssen so verrückt wie wir dachten, du warst. Sie haben in kurzer Zeit geschafft, ein relativ kleines Unternehmen erfolgreich zu nehmen und fcuk es auf.
Vielleicht haben Sie auch eine Hitler persona in diesem verrückten Kopf, wird die zur Klärung der deutschen diffamierende Post.
Was ist mit deiner Familie Auslaugung sind sie immer noch im Wohnzimmer lagerten.
Selbst mit Ihren verrückten Kopf und Ihr Geld Sie müssen erkennen, dieser Betrug ist zu Ende.
Ich vermute, die Telefone im Bunker sind in einschmelzen zwischen Wiederverkäufern von Ihrem siht und Spasa.
Karma mein Freund.
Is this how all pool industry people act? I was thinking about getting a pool and what my options were, after seeing this I am giving it a miss. It's not worth the stress and bickering! The way you professional pool people treat each other I would not want to need your customer service. Stuff the lot of you!
ReplyDeleteBlame the advertising regulators. What a bunch of pussy's they are, Magnapool should have been in their sights long ago. 7000 customers have been sucked in so far. How much longer will they get away with this.
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ReplyDeleteThe phrase “internet troll” comes up often from the Magnapool team, usually in an attempt to divert readers’ attention from the topic.
ReplyDeleteMagnapool are quoting Professors Ross Barnard and Queensland University’s good name and reputation to promote their product in a false, misleading and deceptive manner. Coincidently while researching more about the definition of “trolling”, I came across and article that included some comments from a fellow Professor at Queensland University, Dr Axel Bruns.
Extract from the article.
Start …
Dr Axel Bruns associate professor of creative industries and social media research at Queensland University of Technology, claims trolling is an "art form similar to the radical situationist artistic movements of the early 20th Century".
"Trolling is a kind of radical experiment with the boundaries of what you can do online."
For every accomplished troll there are hundreds more who enjoy disrupting the web for disruption's sake. But even these trolls served a purpose, Dr Bruns said.
"On the internet there’s always a tendency to say, 'I don’t agree with you so you must be stupid'," he said.
But trolls do actually give something back to the pockets of people on the internet who spend all their time online talking about how right they are.
"The trolling can actually be quite healthy," Dr Bruns said. "That troll is actually doing a service. They inform them, try to get information through to them.
"But yet the people who are there who all share similar views might still see you as a troll simply because you present an opposing view."
In some cases, trolling is not only acceptable, it is encouraged.
"If you end up disrupting a pro-whaling discussion group, or a white supremacist site - technically you are going there to disrupt that board...but I imagine a lot of people would have sympathy for that," Dr Bruns said. End….
I would like to hear each Professors thoughts after they read through the Magnapools website and watch the linked promotional videos.
Lets not forget where all this started.
Magnapool rebadged its existing Poolrite equipment, mixed a very low amount of magnesium and potassium chloride with sodium chloride.
In reality the simple blending of the chlorides is the only thing that Poolrite changed from its existing product line to launch Magnapool. The pump, filter, filter media, salt chlorinator were all 100% existing Poolrite products widely available.
It is now evident that Professor Barnard and his students have conducted zero tests or experiments on Magnapool water. It is also evident that Magnapool uses minuscule rates of magnesium compared to that of the Dead Sea. It is also evident that Magnapool seek to mislead/deceive any and all readers and viewers of its advertising media that it is indeed comparable to the Dead Sea water. The facts are, it produces the same chlorine sanitising agent as and other salt water chlorinator something that the owner was clearly trying to deny on previous the whirlpool blog, making his modus operandi clear from the onset.
Wikipedia description of one definition of Greenwashing:
“The term is generally used when significantly more money or time has been spent advertising being green (that is, operating with consideration for the environment), rather than spending resources on environmentally sound practices. This is often portrayed by changing the name or label of a product to evoke the natural environment or nature—for example, putting an image of a forest on a bottle containing harmful chemicals. “
Can there ever be a better example of Greenwashing than what Poolrite have done by launching the Magnapool system.
In your analysis you say that magnapool mixed a small amount of magnesium & potassium chloride with sodium chloride.
ReplyDeleteWhat you meant to say i am sure is that Magnapool mixed a large amount of magnesium and potassium chloride with a small amount of sodium chloride (less than 12% and for chelating purposes).
maybe you are getting confused with Astral Pool's Scam
of mineral bathing.
SODIUM CHLORIDE 87%
Potassium Chloride 10%
Boric Acid 3%
Now this is what I would call
"MINERAL WASHING" .
This formulation was arrived at after Astral Pool withdrew Mineral Max from the market in July 2011.
Many unsuspecting Mineral Max users have been switched to this new product which retails at $30 plus GST.( same as mineral rich magnapool)
The potassium adds zero benefit to the mix in the small quantities & by Australian Government law the
BORIC ACID should be disclosed as an ingredient.,
as it causes cancer in rat's testicles.
There is no flocculation & coaggulation as there is no magnesium chloride in the mix.
To portray Magnapool as just another salt chlorinator is misleading as magnapool is a process that relies on an electrolyzer that runs at 3000 ppm when almost none do that except for say Cleva Quip
who's units are very expensive.
The major sanitizing effect comes from the "starvation of bacteria" by filtering sown to between 1 & 3 micron when sand filters typically filter to 80 micron.
1 Pooltech ,
it is over simplistic to say that the magnapool Process is a salt chlorinator & that chlorine is bad for you.
It is the DISINFECTION BYPRODUCTS KNOWN AS "CHLORINATED HYDROCARBONS" produced when chlorine combines with the particulate matter in other granular media above 3 microns that causes the chlorine problem.
In Europe ,
Magnapools new hydrOzone Leonardo cell will be able to get free chlorine to down between .3ppm & .6ppm (point 3 to point 6) through the generation of Advanced Oxygen Radicals of Ozone & Hydrogen Peroxide combining through a pressure disollution chamber that takes the magnapool process to a new level unrivalled in swimming pool sanitation & oxidation.
I believe this was explained to the judges in Barcelona and the main reason out of a myriad of others that Poolrite won the award for the best new product innovation on earth.
I do hope the moderator leaves the previous post up on the site.
ReplyDeleteIf he does not then we know that he is not interested in debate but just his own opinions ,which of course are fine .
Censorship is not freedom of speach particularly when in the interests of acience 1 Pooltech is able to completely denigrate dissenters & pull down arguments that do not further his cause.
For austerity sake I have been saving and filing my posts on this site as they are posted before they are pulled down.
Much more of this "censorship" then I will be starting my own blog " 1 Pooltech inconsistencies in the evaluation of Mineral Pools."
The complete blog here plus the deleted responses & readers can make up their own mind in an uncensored world.
My colleagues professor Ross Barnard & Navin are now ell into a 3year research & clinical trial which started last September and Navin who by the way has a Master's Degree in Bioscience is now into a PHD program & ultimately clinical trials to prove the effacy of magnapool and it's mineral blend.
I know that this maybe not you want to hear 1 Pooltech as it does not accord with your vision but be that as it may it is happening & proves that magnapool are very serious about their product.
If you also go to www.relilax.com you can see the new 20 million euro Magnapool Wellness centre at the Relilax Hotel.
These people are not fools as as you suggest ,they are serious afficianados .
Mr. Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI would be very careful if I was you to use the word Hitler or name somebody's acting llike Hitler. You should be aware that here in Germany/Austria it is against the law and you can be sued for that!!
You can delete the post but its already copied ....
Oh by the way your IT people can track me so they would see that I m based in Austria!!!
Does Pauline have her drinking problem finally under control!
Have a nice weekend
It is obvious from the previous postings now from the Magnapool people that the claims of University research into there products are just a lie. A big long winded post to say what they are going to do not what they have done.....a bunch of gonnas!
ReplyDeleteFOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
Magnapool cut the spin.
ReplyDeleteAre Qld university or any other independent qualified authority currently conducting tests re magnesium absorption on bathers swimming in a Magnapool pool?
If so who & when do you expect to have the data?
Are you just quoting the reduced free chlorine levels of .3 - .6 ppm range allowable in parts of Europe to give readers the impression you have been given some sort of special treatment for the system? Or have you got a dispensation agreement unique to your product?
The salt mixture is irrelevant if there is no evidence to back up your health & well being inferals that are the core reason behind this blog as I read it.
There are other electrolytic chlorinators on sale running well below 3000 ppm
A straight answer without the advertising would be appreciated.
Having read the previous blogs I will call you Frank. For the record my name is Steve, the General Public person with the Astral/Blue Haven problem.
ReplyDeleteFrank seeing that you are a man that likes direct questions and expects to get and hopefully give direct answers. I have a couple of questions for you.
1) Have you ever worked with or for Astral?
2) Are you the person that developed the Mineral Max Blend, you know the one that has part Magnesium Sulphate (sorry for my bad earlier calling it Magnesium Chloride)?
These are the first of many to come, I ask this because I am now up for a $20,000.00 bill to replace the lining in my pool.
Anonymous,
ReplyDelete1. You state that ozone & hydrogen peroxide are produced by all chlorinator cells & that is correct.
However the new Leonardo Cell is entirely different to the now superseded Magnapool hydroxinator cell.
We are not about to tell you how we do it ,however & as stated previously in these blogs ,our new cell makes 10 times the amount of OZONE & 20 times the amount of hydrogen peroxide for the same given power input.
2. This no different to Oxineo by maytronics who use an electrolyte to claim & publish the same results.
Miox in the states are also into this Hydroxyl Radical generated electrochemically.
If you go to www.poolrite.tv you can see an illustration of the patent pending Babych Valve named after one of our engineers.
This valve may or may not play a part .
As you can appreciate we cannot disclose any more than this.
The product hydrOzone is about to be released & you will see the independent NATA test sheets from Simmons & Bristow indeed confirming our stance
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteMy colleague Navin is indeed 6 months into a 3 year
program to obtain a PHD in transdermal properties
of magnapool under the tutelage of Professor Ross Barnard who is a very rare individual in that he is a Dr. of Science.
You have slandered the good prof. on this site so I would think it is prudeversultunt not to go there.
So it is impossible for Magnapool to provide a straight answer on the European free chlorine levels.... I think it is fair to assume they are trying to deceive us yet again by implying they were unique operating in the 0.3 - 0.6ppm range when it is just the accepted level for any system in these countries
ReplyDeleteIf I understand correctly they are now saying they are three years away from knowing if their is any wellbeing of medicinal benefit from a dip in Magnapool water.
The guy requiring a $20,000 re-line of his pool I presume is blaming the magnesium chloride for the damage.
Pooltech1 I commend you for seeing all this at the start.
Magnapool I am getting the vibe that you have conceded your cover is blown and are edging away from the Magnapool topic into other areas and products that have no relevance here.
What have I missed re slander of Professor Barnard, please bring me up to speed.
No Frank, I very clearly stated Magnesium Sulphate.So how about an answer to the Questions.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteSomewhere in this blog or the other magnapool greenwashing blog you said words to the effect that
Dr. of Science professor Ross Barnard used "students" to perform research.
Navin is a colleague & completed his" masters degree "
in Bioscience & the magnapool work was a part of this.
Since September of last year he has undertaken his PHD in the particular field of "transdermal absorption of minerals" in a magnapool.
Your comments are inaccurate & offensive & quite slanderous even if you twist the meanings of your words a snapshot of this blog is being constantly taken & filed so that even if you delete them ,they can be used in future evidence in a tribunal or court.
You might think you have free speech ,but that free speech comes at a price & that price at least in this country is "the truth".
It is obvious from the previous postings now from the Magnapool people that the claims of University research into there products are just a lie. A big long winded post to say what they are going to do not what they have done.....a bunch of gonnas!
ReplyDeleteFOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
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ReplyDeleteSince you appear to be very connected with Professor Banard and Navin please confirm for the record whether they are knowingly supporting the Magnapool media campaign and refuting all of Pooltech's allegations.
ReplyDeleteI would not expect academics to put their names to the Magnapool campaign until the science is in.. According to a previous post, Navin stated that a lot more research needs to be done on this. To me it makes a mockery of the value of independent scientific studies and Qld Universitiy, if they are activly supporting the website and video campaign at such an early stage.
On the other hand if Magnapool are spinning the content of the universities work to date in an attempt to mislead their customers, it is they who are the slanderers.
Could you ask the Professor to take a minute to make his position clear on this forum. If your inferrals are founded it can only help Magnapool.
Once in a while you are off topic and deleted on nearly every post. However I can assure you that the blog stats show page views coming from 15 countries and many different posters and approching 2000 page views and growing fast.
ReplyDeleteJust address the accusations , but you can't can you.
Start with the earlier posters question about the 0.3 - 0.6 free chlorine level in Europe that you inferred is unique to your product.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteOn many points i agree with you and welcome your debate on the subject.
I am a pool serviceman from Surrey in the UK & have been recently tempted to convert some clients to the system.
One in particular has a beautiful rose garden & currently uses a product called K Mag as a fertilizer.
It's hellishing expensive and she though that the addition of her backwash water would make a huge difference after visiting her uncle from Kent who had some smashing results in his garden using just the neat magnapool minerals diluted down.
The product lives up to what it claims as far as we can see and therefore it is green.
My question is however the term greenwashing i know is to promise an environmental benefit which it on the surface appears to accomplish.
Unfortunately the magnesium content from the backwash water would be like a spit in the ocean as far as any benefits for the garden go.. Think about it, Mg content is only around 500 ppm, how many litres are you estimating would go through the backwash annually and onto what ground area?
ReplyDeleteI would talk to an agronomist before you waste your customers brass.
Agree with previous post, but remember as per Magnapool the backwash should be diluted 5 to 6 times, so how much benefit would you get if any?
ReplyDeleteI think you must take anything the Magnapool people say with a pinch of salt!
"Unfortunately the magnesium content from the backwash water would be like a spit in the ocean as far as any benefits for the garden go.. Think about it, Mg content is only around 500 ppm, how many litres are you estimating would go through the backwash annually and onto what ground area?
I would talk to an agronomist before you waste your customers brass".
Take backwash water and dilute 5 - 6 times with fresh water
ReplyDeleteGreen Product, I don't think so.
Take with a "Pinch of salt" Classic.
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ReplyDelete"Fighting on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded."
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ReplyDeleteFrank isn’t great being you, the blog administrator and a large number of the contributors.
ReplyDeleteIf you don’t like what someone has to say you just remove it, no having to answer the hard or more difficult questions. Strange that because you so much like to ask questions and expect answers yourself.
The trouble with removing other people’s questions/ statements is that it shows that you are censoring the content of the blog.
Censorship in any form is wrong and shows a great lack of creditability.
So Frank I see you have taken down my question to you, what’s wrong suffering from a lack of backbone?
ReplyDeleteMy questions again,
1) Have you ever worked for or with Astral?
2) Are you the person that designed and implemented the Mineral Max Mix and even more useless equipment?
Creditability is everything you are showing NONE at the moment.
So Frank I see you have taken down my question to you, what’s wrong suffering from a lack of backbone?
ReplyDeleteMy questions again,
1) Have you ever worked for or with Astral?
2) Are you the person that designed and implemented the Mineral Max Mix and even more useless equipment?
Creditability is everything you are showing NONE at the moment.
My name is Clare Sutton. I am both a proud employee of Poolrite and a delighted user of MagnaPool.
ReplyDeleteThe technology of our MagnaPool system has been explained to me in great detail, so I absolutely appreciate the outstanding quality of the MagnaPool system. Our customers continually give overwhelmingly positive feedback.
As someone with multiple sclerosis, I am personally amazed and grateful for the therapeutic benefits of the MagnaPool minerals. A daily soak in this beautiful water dramatically improves various factors of the MS. I see dramatic improvements in the reduction of (previously regular) foot and legs cramps, oedema in legs and ankles, involuntary spasms and twitching in the legs at night, and sleeplessness.
Further to that, it is a joy to come to work each day for such an ethical, bright and intelligent group of people with palpable integrity.
Hi Clare.
ReplyDeleteI am also the proud owner of a Magnapool AMAZING PRODUCT.
Since my kids have been swimming in our Magnapool a great benefit is they glow in the dark, also the little one has developed the ability to walk up the walls.FANTASTIC!
Claire Sorry to hear you suffer from MS - Swimming in any pool would will give you the same results, that is why MS sufferers spend a lot of time in pools - they are all regarded as having these therapeutic benefits.
ReplyDeleteAs you have had the technology of Magnapool explained to you please enlighten me on how you perceive it to be different from any other salt chlorinated pool purely from a health prospective and what health benefit claims Magnapool have said the system is giving you over and above other therapeutic pools.
If a magnapool is a chlorinator then it's still a lot better than one of those dreadful 'ionisers' that dose heavy metals into your pool! I an't believe those are still legal.
ReplyDelete"Streisand", it is a mineral pool and spa water sanitation system that provides an alternative to more widely used salt and chlorine sanitation systems. The MagnaPool people would be delighted to answer any questions you have.
ReplyDelete"2 many smoking mirrors": Thank you for your kind remark. I hasten to clarify that my previous comment was largely dedicated to stating my experience following immersion in MagnaPool water. MagnaPool has never claimed to provide any specific health benefits to me, and luckily, even if they had done so,I possess the mental acuity required for independent thought. My comment was my personal experience. After swimming in many different pools with the more widely used salt and chlorine sanitation systems since the onset of the mentioned MS symptoms I can assure you that they have never been improved at all following immersion, until the MagnaPool experience. Thank you for your interest in my comment; I hope readers find it helpful.
Thanks Clare!
ReplyDeleteI am not an employee of Magnapool ,Poolrite or a friend or family member of the owner!
ReplyDeleteThx Ross
FOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
The Magnapool is being marketed as an innovative swimming pool sanitiser when Magnapool is a rebadged Poolrite S4000 salt water chlorinator with loads of deceitful marketing and no substance.
There is no disputing that magnesium is beneficial to humans but there is not enough magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers. If there were levels of magnesium that were beneficial to bathers the pool filtration system would fail very quickly and the cement surface of the pool would be destroyed.
Magnapool operates the same way as millions of other brands of salt water chlorinators sold by hundreds of manufactures world-wide.
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ReplyDeleteIf a magnapool is a chlorinator then it's still a lot better than one of those dreadful 'ionisers' that dose heavy metals into your pool! I an't believe those are still legal.
I thought ionizers were banned in Australia
Claire Sutton, magnapool employee, Ross Palmer whoever you might be... yes I am sure you were told not to say anything on here that would indicate Magnapool are making any health or wellbeing claims as this would be used against them because they have nothing to back up any such claims. Their cover is blown and it would just be more incriminating evidence against them.
Which brings us back to the start. Go through their website and youtube media or ask anyone unfamiliar with this product to go through it, then ask them what message has been portrayed to them through the media. A very low act, even aimed at praying on desperate sick people.
If it was true, magnapool would be investing in live research on Magnapool immersion, rather than anecdotal references on Dead Sea benefits.
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ReplyDeleteMagnapool you can start your own blog if you want to talk about other products, inderviduals or companies. The topic here is about your misleading and deceptive media and the Greenwashing of poolrite products. Other topics and promotion blogs are deleted.
ReplyDeleteTo date you have not provided any information that can back up your media claims and inferals or refute my claims.
Today I received and deleted six posts from Magnapool employees telling me how good the Magnapool water is. Not exactly independent, unsolicited testimonials. And not on topic.
ReplyDeleteI am sure the magnapool water is OK, I have never said it wont work, it is a salt water chlorinator they all work. It is the misleading and deceptive marketing that is the issue.
They are conning people into believing they are buying something different from a salt chlorinator. When they are not.
Pre approve post feature removed in the hope that Magnapool will stick to topic. If not it will go back on.
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ReplyDeleteOnce in a while. That last post was the closest to debating the topic that's been seen. It's a shame you cannot resist attacking your ex CEO and using this as an advertising platform so we can debate the facts.
ReplyDeleteThe thought that you may have some scientific evidence in three years time to back up your theory of Manapools benefits does not condone the crime of misleading or deceiving the public in the meantime with videos and website .
Low levels of magnesium chloride have been used in swc for decades. Watermaid was possibly one of the first.
Why are so many comments being deleted? I bet they were entertaining.
ReplyDeleteCheck your facts 1 Pooltech .
ReplyDeleteWatermaid used Epsom's Salts ( magnesium Sulphate)
at the rate of 1 x25 kg bag per year which was used for
scale control on chlorinator cells .
In the last few years Lo Chlor put out a product in liquid form for the same reasons but it was 5 litres of Magnesium Chloride.
Only recently did Watermaid switch to Magnesium Chloride & in such minute quantities .
I guess that they read one of the many provisional patents that Poolrite has & decided that they did not want to go down the path of Astral Pool & have to withdraw it due to patent infringement.
By the way this guy 1 Pooltech is an absolute fraud.
His questions have been answered but he chose to delete the post .
So i guess we will never know.
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ReplyDeleteNo, the relevant questions have not been answered they are bypassed by you, instead you go on the attack of others.
ReplyDeleteHeres one for starters.
Are there any clinical trials been conducted now or in the past that give independent clinical information on what % of magnesium uptake/absorption is taken through the skin of a bather swimming in a magnapool pool at the current recommended operating levels?
If so, by whom are they been conducted & when would you expect results?
1Pooltech
ReplyDeleteWhat are you? Who are you? Are you some sort of scientist? Pool Technician? Pool Shop? Another Company?
Where are you all getting your facts from to slander Magnapool the way you are?
Why can't the industry see the goodness in new products? Every time someone brings out a new product it's slandered, it doesn't work, or another product is better.
The Pool industry certainly is a big eye opener, and worse than politics!
1 Pooltech ,
ReplyDeleteIndeed my colleague Navin Chandrasekran who has a masters degree in Bio Chemistry is undertaking a PHD
into the further study of magnapool & any possible health or wellness benefits.
Unfortunately the terms & likely time frames are confidential as would be expected in such a commercially valuable project.
This has been underway now for 5 months
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ReplyDeleteDeleted more posts form Magnapool advertising how good their pools are. And of course the usual post suggesting I am Frank???
ReplyDeleteInteresting post from the colleague of Navin Chandrasekran, perhaps you could get Navin to let us know how he is conducting the absorption tests and what pool he is using for his test. If you are a colleague you shouldn't mind identifying yourself so readers can be assured it is not just more deception form the Magnapool team.
anonymous,
ReplyDeleteOf course you would like to know about Navin,s
Program.
You think yopu have a right to know everything.
The university agreement is confidential & the depth of your understanding in this matter is about as "clueless as your undersatnding in everything magnapool."
What makes you presume &think that we would use a swimming pool for tests.
These tests are conducted using live skin tissue from "breast reduction operations."
We will see how fair dinkum you are to out the truth by the length of time this post stays active.
Since my last post, Magnapool have reached rock bottom and has started to dig.
ReplyDeleteMagnapool said.
ReplyDelete"These tests are conducted using live skin tissue from "breast reduction operations".
Just a thought, if you run out of breast reduction skin for your testing you can always use some from the excess of assholes you have at Magnapool!
LOL
All this stuff is old hat.
ReplyDelete"Welcome To the Future"
www.poolrite.tv
Go to www.relilax.com & see what one of the best
& oldest spas in Italy is up to these days.
Mr. Once in a while, don't you realise, it doesn't matter how much you polish a TURD it is still a TURD.
ReplyDelete1Pooltech you are obviously a frustrated person who for some reason feels insecure and threatened by Magnapool. Typical tall poppy syndrome. If you were serious you would have done your homework, you clearly have not. The world is better with MagnaPool if nothing else it is healthy competition who keep the really unscrupulous operators honest. If MagnaPool was greenwashing as you state they wouldn't be investing thousands of dollars and hundreds of working hours on scientific study. Also if you knew anything about scientific study you would know it does take time and there are different stages. I bet if Magnapool came out tomorrow with scientific study you would say something like "it is impossible to do these studies in that time frame, they are fake, etc". Look at the genius who invented the cure for stomach ulcers, he was ridiculed initially, but all those detractors are now eating humble pie.
ReplyDeleteIf you want swim in a chemical concoction that is your choice. I personally prefer my pool without chemical treatment that is pristine clear water where all the nasty particles actually get caught in the filter, just like they are meant to.
Once in a While,
ReplyDeletethat www.poolrite.tv is worth a look. The Relilax hotel looks amazing. With over 2,000 years of tradition, I guess the Venitians know a thing or two about bathing.
1 Pooltech.
ReplyDeleteThe whole concept of taking 2 boxes & 2 electrolyzer cells & drawing the conclusion that one is exactly the same as the other because "THEY LOOK ALIKE", bears comparison to for example the HONDA JAZZ & the HONDA JAZZ hybrid .
It is costly to produce new platforms & bodies so the good folks at Honda Engineering use the same body & chassis to produce the hybrid which runs with a smaller petrol engine & reduces emissions by partnering it with electric motor drives.
On the outside they both look the same but on the inside they are entirely different.
Definitely no one would level "greenwashing" at Honda for making such a move in fact quite the oppposite .
Hybrid technology allows Honda to produce a car with common appeal of the JAZZ but more environmentally friendly.
The same applies to the Hydroxinateur in the older model
Magnapool System .
They look the same but one runs on SALT S4000 which adds to the sodicity of the soil when discharged into the environment & the other runs on much lower TDS using Magnesium & Potassium Chlorides which in the quantities of backwashed water with VMF filtration from the coaggulating and flocculating effect of the magnesium require backwashing only once per year instead of once per month with a fine glass or sand filter medium.
The other feature of the magnapool system is that no copper based algecides or cyanuric acid is used & the only chemical that is needed is hydrochloric acid for PH control & then in much smaller doses.
In no way are you being in anyway fair in your comparison.
There is NO GREENWASHING & to the contrary the system is quite environmentally friendly compared to a sand system with a salt chlorine generator.
What am I missing here .
I simply do not get your point about Greenwashing
FOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
ReplyDelete1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
The Magnapool is being marketed as an innovative swimming pool sanitiser when Magnapool is a rebadged Poolrite S4000 salt water chlorinator with loads of deceitful marketing and no substance.
There is no disputing that magnesium is beneficial to humans but there is not enough magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers. If there were levels of magnesium that were beneficial to bathers the pool filtration system would fail very quickly and the cement surface of the pool would be destroyed.
Magnapool operates the same way as millions of other brands of salt water chlorinators sold by hundreds of manufactures world-wide.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou are starting to sound a little parrot like with your
protestations regarding "not enough magnesium chloride.
You start with an assumption that because the dead sea has more then that is better.
Magnapool & The university of Queensland are the first organization in the world corporate or institutional
to actually test transdermal absorption in a laboratory
with live skin tissue.
My colleague navin & The university have signed a secrecy agreement & are not at liberty to disclose what you are asking for.
Do you really think that we would publish that?
Just out of interest .
ARE YOU A COMPETITOR OF MAGNAPOOL ?
Why don't you view the Warwick Retirement Home Magnapool video on their www.magnapool.com website.
Instead of knocking the UQ who are actually doing the research why not tell us what academic qualifications you have to make such wild sweeping statements like "Ther's not enough in there."
Show us the academic research that supports your conclusions.
Better still hop in your car & visit the Warwick over 50's village & tell them you are thinking of buying a unit & could you swim in the pool.
Talk to some of the residents .
BTW. I liked the analogy between the Honda Jazz & the Honda Jazz Hybrid.
FOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
ReplyDelete1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
The Magnapool is being marketed as an innovative swimming pool sanitiser when Magnapool is a rebadged Poolrite S4000 salt water chlorinator with loads of deceitful marketing and no substance.
There is no disputing that magnesium is beneficial to humans but there is not enough magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers. If there were levels of magnesium that were beneficial to bathers the pool filtration system would fail very quickly and the cement surface of the pool would be destroyed.
Magnapool operates the same way as millions of other brands of salt water chlorinators sold by hundreds of manufactures world-wide.
An S4000 chlorinator is as different to a magnapool hydroxinator as a Honda Jazz & a Honda Jazz Hybrid.
ReplyDeleteDifferent animals.
The coatings on the electrodes are platinized silicon whilst the coatings on the salt chlorinator are platinum grouped oxides.
You must be a competitor fishing for information by
"Baiting the BLOG".
The level of Magnesium Chloride seems to be exactly the right amount that the magnapool folks are happy to formulate.
I rang Coca Cola the other day to ask them their formula.
They told me that no one actually had the formula as it was locked up in a safe .
It's quite easy to find the formula ,all you need to do is have it analyzed.
Mr. Once in a while, don't you realise, it doesn't matter how much you polish a TURD it is still a TURD.
ReplyDeleteMr. Anonymous.
ReplyDeleteSurely T.U.R.D.
is an acronym for
Technologie Universitae Research & Development .
I told you not to get so angry & full of bitterness
as you need to follow your own dreams & get on with your life.
Your friend,
Marc
So true Mr. Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIf you look at the You Tube Video linked to this site & the Magnapool whirlpool forum, it takes me back to the words of that famous genius "ONESTONE"
"Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from Mediocre Minds"
ALBERT EINSTEIN.
Magnapool Mk1 was a great idea & recieved enthusiastically in the market place.
The Eco System with the RadioNet outdoor computer & hydrOzone ,together with the most beautiful Stretch Reinforced Polyester filter tank
& Gemini Twin variable speed pump is even better
Hi Once in a while.
ReplyDeleteHave noticed you like to use famous peoples quotes when embellishing your BS, here is one that I think is very appropriate.
From P.T. Barnum (of the world famous Ringling Bros, Barnum and Bailey Circus)
To the Poolrite Circus.
"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time"
Well it appears that Mr. Adrian Hart (SPASA) has no answers to the questions of SPASA's extraordinary endorsement of the Magnapool system. Just in case he needs a reminder I have pasted questions from an anonymous poster and myself below that are waiting his response.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said:
"I do not see any defamatory statements in the original header. What I do see is a lot of awkward and uncomfortable questions that SPASA has to answer in regards there actions in regards to there endorsement of Magnapools salt water chlorinator. The quicker these questions are addressed/answered the better.
Starting points that should be directed to of all the SPASA state offices and Proffersor Ross Barnard
Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of any trials that have been conducted on bathers swimming in a Magnapool treated pool that supports any of Magnapools well-being or medicinal claims as clearly implied in their marketing medias including their website and youtube videos?
Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of any independent tests that have been conducted to prove whether there is any measurable uptake of magnesium, potassium or other beneficial minerals that could lead to improved wellbeing or medicinal claims for a Magnapool bather over an above a swim in a pool using any other recognised pool sanitising system?
Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of and tests that have been conducted to prove what percentage of the Daily Recommended Intake (DRI) of magnesium, a bather would expect to absorb through the skin following a 30 minute swim in Magnapool water?
Professor Barnard or his team conducted any trials on bathers using a Magnapool system that would independently back up the companies claims to the benefits as portrayed in their marketing media?
Is it correct that Professor Barnard and his students have supplied only anecdotal material/reference to Magnapool and that no tests have ever been conducted or data compiled on the bather exposure in the Magnapool product?
Is it correct that none of the Qld University material that Magnapool refer to relates to the low mineral exposure levels a bather would get from a swim in a Magnapool?
Magnapool water contains approximately 500 parts per million of magnesium salts. The Dead Sea contains approximately 40,000 parts per million and magnesium infused therapeutic spas and associated product contain 100,000 + parts per million of the mineral.
Do SPASA & Professor Barnard agree that for Magnapool to imply their system offers the same benefits as as a swim in the dead sea or soak in a treatment spa is both deceptive and misleading?
Magnapool pool water contains around 1% - 2% of the magnisium content of the Dead Sea. Do SPASA or Professor Barnard have the information of how long a Magnapool bather would need to soak in Magnapool to get the same transdermal absorption as a 30 minute soak in the dead sea?
Do SPASA & Professor Barnard disagree with my claims that the Magnapools website, videos and other marketing media is misleading and deceptive regarding the references to mineral benefits and the avoidance of the word chlorine?
If so on what points do they defend the content?
Further questions for Adrian Hart SPASA.
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1Pooltech said...
To Mr Adrian Hart The previous poster has already pasted a copy of my earlier questions directed to SPASA and Professor Barnard. You asked what more can you do. Simple, address each point and give SPASA's position and detailed answers based on facts & independent research ignoring anything Magnapool has supplied you
I am confident that at the magnesium levels that Magnapool are operating there is absolutely no medicinal or well being benefits for the average residential pool owner/bather. I am also confident that the original Magnapool system advertised on their website (recently designed to look different) was simply existing Poolrite equipment misleadingly advertised as a salt chlorinator alternative with deceiving terminology in an attempt to convince prospective purchasers it is not a salt chlorinator producing chlorine through electrolysis. I am also confident that Magnapool/Poolrites actions meet the definition and offence of "green washing" existing products.
I have many peer reviews/comments and private emails from around the world that agree with my views and can find none that disagree apart from SPASA QLD, Magnapool staff and their resellers. The transcripts from various blogs are recorded as are copies of Magnapools website and videos. Examples of the companies intent to deceive are blatant and continue even on this site.
SPASA Qld singled out Magnapool as a "new" alternative system in its annual magazine.
Please explain how SPASA saw fit to endorse the Magnapool system over other products in its annual magazine and what research you have seen that has been conducted on Magnapool water/bathers that warranted SPASA decision to single out and promote this brand name. My research indicates there has been no research and it is all circumspect to date.
Please explain to me & other readers how you justify your support for Magnapool and SPASA's integrity as an industry body advising the public
anonymous said:
ReplyDelete"These tests are conducted using live skin tissue from "breast reduction operations."
Hilarious!!!
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ReplyDelete"Pooltech1 could you please enlighten us on your academic qualifications in say "molecular bioscience" that bring you that level of confidence.
also you seem to dismiss off handedly the involvement of the University of Queensland & professor Ross Barnard.
the good professor is working with my colleague Navin over a 3 year period to further validate what is obvious good news for outcomes."
Anonymous, it appears you are completely missing the point. I have dismissed nothing off handedly from the University of Queensland or Professor Ross Barnard. To date there is nothing to dismiss!!! The only contributions that have come from either of them are "anecdotal" references relating to the use of Magnesium at massively higher levels than the amount that is used in Magnapool.
Magnapool has sought to deceive the public once again by implying in its media that Queensland University and Professor Ross Barnard are endorsing Magnapool as having the same benefits for bathers . The truth is, there is no scientific data to back up any such claims. I am sure Professor Barnard is well aware of this blog maybe he should come on here and publicly tell me I am wrong and that he has indeed scientifically proven that a swim in a Magnapool does compare to a swim in the Dead Sea or a soak in a spa containing many 100's of times the concentration of magnesium.
I have deleted the rest of your content as it was off topic again.
1 Pooltech,
ReplyDeleteCould you please advise as to your "academic qualifications" and your expertise in the field of
transdermal absorption.
1Pooltech
ReplyDeleteYou should read the works of Dr. Marc Sircus
on transdermal magnesium .
There is no such reference to quantification as to the Dead Sea.
A 30 minute swim in the dead sea might be equivalent to 6 immersions in a Magnapool.
You don't have to swim in a pool of nicotine to get the same effects as a nicotine patch.
Ions are ions and not concentration dependent.
For years people have bathed in Epsom's salts baths (magnesium sulphate).
The concentrations are quite low .
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ReplyDeleteQuestion to "Once in a while"
ReplyDeleteAs we are considering the Magnapool system and you seem to be in the know re Magnapool. Can you please let us know much Magnesium and Potassium is actually in a typical Magnapool domestic pool as compared to the dead sea or an Epsom salts bath?
anonymous the answer has to be
ReplyDelete100 PERCENT unless of course this is a trick question.
Am I right?
You lot just can't help yourselves can you?
ReplyDeleteConstant bickering and pretending to be people your not. Why would anyone trust any of you?
If you were fair dinkum about the the abilities of your products why would you waste your time entering into this crap.
Magnapool, concentrate on Europe, you've done alright out of Australia so far, Oh and stop getting your staff to pose as forum participants, its pretty easy to see through!
It appears from this and other forums that the general con-census is that there is very little Magnesium or Potassium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers what so ever.
ReplyDeleteIf Magnapool was beneficial to bathers in regards to "transdermal absorption" there would have been a flood of technical data to back up there claims....there is nothing coming from Magnapool except misleading references to other studies and nothing that back up there product claims!
Magnapool is just another expensive salt water chlorinator system where they have also scammed the public into buying there pumps, filter, glass media and salt water chlorinator and the kicker is when the customer needs salt they have to buy that as well from Magnapool.
Good marketing no substance!
Dear Mr. 1 Pooltech,
ReplyDeleteYour blog is about "Greenwashing" not the balance sheets of the company nor the health & wellness benefits of magnapool.
"TALK ABOUT BEING OFF TOPIC."
By now you realize that you have made a complete fool of yourself & that "GREENWASHING refers to making environmental claims for a product that are not substantiated.
1. Magnapool Systems are not just about the new hydrOzone generator & radio net outdoor computer.
a) The filter tanks are now made from RECYCLED"stretch reinforced polyester." a process that Poolrite worked on for 5 years with the inventor.
b) The Diamond Kleen filtration media is made from
RECYCLED GLASS."
c) The key effacy of the Magnapool System is it's ability to utilize the patented glass grinding & grading system to develop a totally new filtration method "Volumetric Micro Filtration." (VMF).
Magnapool systems can typically run for up to 1 year between backwashing & there are 2 university papers on the science behind that on the Magnapool Website.
The small amount of water (around 600 litres on a G75 system) can be "RECYCLED & put on your lawn & then diluted 5 to 1.
You save water & then do not have to backwash salt into the ECO SYSTEM.
What's more magnapool does not use copper algaecides or cyanuric acid & therefore it does not damage the environment..
d) The new GEMINI TWIN pump draws 280 watts on low speed & has been certified by the federal government to be energy saving & 7 stars
******* ( that's right SEVEN STARS).
e) The development of "electrochemical disinfection
in the LEONARDO cell which produces the most natural form of oxidant "hydrOzone" & a residual amount of hypochlorous acid is a "WORLD FIRST" & a real breakthrough.
CAN YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US AS TO WHY YOU HAVE NOW MOVED OFF TOPIC ,WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE COMPANY IS NOT GREENWASHING.
http://www.poolgeniusnetwork.com/forum/topics/magnapool-1?id=2303543%3ATopic%3A452244&page=1
ReplyDeleteOf course Magnapool is a Greenwashed salt water chlorinator.
Poolrites/Magnaross's attempt to justify there BS is plainly obvious.
Cut and paste the link above to an American pool site where Ross Palmer the owner of Magnapools came on and got an absolute shalaking when trying to justify his scam.
Richard Falk an eminent blogger on all things pools shot Magnapools and Ross Palmer to pieces.
Ross Palmer then tried to get Richard Falk to contact him direct, we can only guess for what reason $$$$$.
Magnapool the longer you try and justify this scam product the silly-er you are looking.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/pool-warranty-fund-drained/story-e6freoof-1226332112964
http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/ex-pool-boss-in-deep-end-over-fund/story-fn6ck45n-1226333627269
THE TRUTH STARTING TO COME OUT!!!!
SPASA vindicates Magnapool Greenwashing SCAM, LOL, more like SPASA implacates Magnapool in another SCAM.
Might be worth the Courier Mail investigating, if they are not already the people and companies behind N.S.P.I Australia.
This news has only broke, watch this space for up dates. We suspect there are a lot of people very worried today
1 POO TECH.(anonymous)
ReplyDeletemate you are so hilarious to the point of delusion.
Totally off topic & totally off track..
I suppose that Magnapool is also responsible for the
CARBON TAX .
I would stick to GREENWASHING HEAT PUMPS if I were you.
You are a total fuckwit. hee heee hee.
kind regards,
U.R.A. WANKER (esquire)
NSPI is a wholly owned organization of SPASA.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are a wholly owned puppet of Astral Pool & Sterilor. hee hee hee.
SPASA QLD investigates and dismisses greenwashing claims against Magnapool!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat a joke....How much did it cost Magnaross to get the ex CEO to write that letter?
What about the other blog where these questions were asked regarding SPASA endorsing Magnapool as a new sanitiser.
New system my a## a green washed salt water chlorinator, what a joke corruption corruption corruption.
Magnapool and SPASA...STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN.
The facts cannot be denied.
Suspect the next installament will include a police investigation.
FACT.
ReplyDeleteEx CEO of SPASA a paid mouth piece of MAGNAPOOL
A fact is a little creature that swims around the bottom of the ocean collecting "shark's farts" for spirit levels
ReplyDeleteand that's a fact. hee hee .
franki
ReplyDeletemay we have a dinner together
marc
Why do u want to have lunch Marc?
ReplyDeleteAre u another one deserting the Magnapool sinking ship looking for a job?
This is so hilarious !!
ReplyDelete1. Poolrite despatched last month a record number of
Magnapool Systems for the European Market .
2. There are over 5,000,000 swimming pools in Europe
vs 1,000,000 in Australia.
3.Poolrite paid cash for a new building in the village of St. Quentin de Fallavier near Lyon in July of last year.
4. The first of the new ECO SYSTEMS with the new
Radio Net Controller are rolling off Poolrite's prodcuction line as we speak rocketing the MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM to new heights with substantial forward orders from the now over 400 worldwide dealer database.
5. Marc !! Why would you even bother with this "fool of a man" ?
6. I have been a loyal employee of Poolrite for over 25 years & watched the company reinvent itself with it's new direction.
7. Ross Palmer is a genuine entrepreneur with substantial business acumen & one of the most dedicated "hands on " owners of any business I have known.
8. The Rats he talks about are guys that decided to go in business for themselves & good luck to them.
If this man spent half as much time running his Phoenix heat pump business instead of taking "cheap shots" he would be a multi millionaire in his specialized field of pool heating.
9. The only sinking ship I see is Phoenix.
Far too much time spent selling "fake poolrite parts"
and not enough time spent running his core business.
10. Congratulations to all my internal & external colleagues for the MAGNAPOOL ECOSYSTEM development & you know the company & it's processes have come of age when you go to
www.relilax.com & see that the most prestigious spa resort in Europe has adopted the Magnapool Technology for their new and innovative additions.
regards,
Tamil Pussycat from Ceylon.
Reply to Tamil Pussycat from Ceylon.
ReplyDelete1. Poolrite despatched last month a record number of
Magnapool Systems for the European Market.
IF IT REALLY HAPPENED? THIS MEANS NOTHING, DISPATCHING DOES NOT REPRESENT SALES!
2. There are over 5,000,000 swimming pools in Europe
vs 1,000,000 in Australia.
MORE PEOPLE TO SCAM AND CON!
3.Poolrite paid cash for a new building in the village of St. Quentin de Fallavier near Lyon in July of last year.
JUST SHOWS ROSS PALMERS GOT MORE MONEY THAN SENSE!
4. The first of the new ECO SYSTEMS with the new
Radio Net Controller are rolling off Poolrite's prodcuction line as we speak rocketing the MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM to new heights with substantial forward orders from the now over 400 worldwide dealer database.
SMOKE AND MIRRORS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE MAGNAPOOL SCAM BY RE BADGING S4000 CHLORINATOR AGAIN!
5. Marc !! Why would you even bother with this "fool of a man" ?
OBVIOUS, MARC SEES WHAT IS HAPPENING AND GETTING OUT QUICKLY!
6. I have been a loyal employee of Poolrite for over 25 years & watched the company reinvent itself with it's new direction.
NOT A REINVENTION A GREENWASHING!
7. Ross Palmer is a genuine entrepreneur with substantial business acumen & one of the most dedicated "hands on " owners of any business I have known.
GOOGLE HIM, AND SCHSOPHRENIC!
8. The Rats he talks about are guys that decided to go in business for themselves & good luck to them.
If this man spent half as much time running his Phoenix heat pump business instead of taking "cheap shots" he would be a multi millionaire in his specialized field of pool heating.
AVERAGE TIME EMPLOYED 1 MONTH BEFORE THEY LEAVE AFTER SEEING HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL MAGNAPOOL ARE!
9. The only sinking ship I see is Phoenix.
Far too much time spent selling "fake poolrite parts"
and not enough time spent running his core business.
THIS IS ABOUT MAGNAPOOL SCAM NOT PHOENIX!
10. Congratulations to all my internal & external colleagues for the MAGNAPOOL ECOSYSTEM development & you know the company & it's processes have come of age when you go to
www.relilax.com & see that the most prestigious spa resort in Europe has adopted the Magnapool Technology for their new and innovative additions.
HOW IS YOUR EXTERNAL COLLEAGUE AT SPASA TRAVELLING?
franki
ReplyDeletei just want to have a lunch, to take care about your health and speak about a peaceful life
be secure, i'm not a rat which want to leave the ship nominated Poolrite.......it's a comfortable ship with a strong issue
have you heard about our success with the new controller , the new pump and the "awards tank"....
with Maganpool it's a perfect combination
let me know if you want to retrofit your swimming pool, i could certainly obtain you a good price
cheers
marc
BUYER BE VERY AWARE.
ReplyDeleteAll the chest slapping and air pumping by Magnaross does not fool the industry the company is in a very bad way.
The marketing tactics used by Magnapool are coming home to roost.
Magnapool has bombed in Australia and this is being reported from numerous independent sources. It is only a matter of time before the doors close.
It is now dependent on how much money Magnaross is prepared to waste on this folly.
franki,
ReplyDeletecalm down !!
everything is not seems as it is. just that you
are afraid man.
you keep worrying about nothing other than
poolrite & healthy that is not.
Viva la Magnapool for healthy water with no adverse affects like dry skin.
Good news for all rrp of eco system now cheaper because of mass production concepts & still made in australia,by australians for australians & the frenchy people too .
you should wake up with the sounds of birds not worry about the sound of pool pumps.
marc
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ReplyDeleteThis Magnapool employee above"Marc" is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot,when his IQ reaches 50 he should sell.
franki,
ReplyDeleteI am the group general manager & I have no one above me ?
I report directly to the board of directors.
directors do i not think employees are .
For your wellbeing you should find peace.
I did said it before i have the authority to mediate a settlement of any outstanding matters (magnaroos give me certain discretion for any issues disappear)
I want help to you,
marc
Village Idiot vs. the man from "No Hopers Island."
ReplyDeleteinteresting comment.
He has admitted in emails that he is a stooge for
"ASTRAL POOL" . hee hee hee.
Let's call him "CURLY"
Magnaross, when will you understand this blog is not about Astral, Blue Haven, Phoenix or any other company.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is all about MAGNAPOOL and SPASA.
And now the truth is starting to filter out
When will your building in Brisbane come on the market?
1 Pooltech
ReplyDeleteThis blog is about Greenwashing & nothing to do with SPASA.
This blog is about your "blind lunacy" in trying to discredit anything to do with something you never thought of first. ( source Chris Papa) ,who simply would not pay you out some exorbinant amount of money when you got fired.
Clearly there is not one shred of academic research or even a hint of a dissatisfied customer which is why we at Astral needed a competitor to it ,which you formulated & fucked up.
Your cover is so transparent I cannot believe you would even begin to think you could actually get people to believe your drivel.
If you had actually stayed on topic it would have been a brilliant debate in a world with very little criticism for magnapool ,other than your "pathetic attempts " at pushing your" corporate mates' at Astral who got sucked into your bullshit & left us holding the bag including our so called "patent challenge" which you also screwed up."
I am an ex employee of Astral in Melbourne who now works for a non Poolrite Competitor & I can tell you that our whole team wanted to lynch you when your pathetic Mineral Max & the "salt laden replacement Aqua Therepe was launched onto the market.
Oh & I forgot you got us to adopt a Bio Guard trademark "MINERAL SPRINGS."
Why don't you "piss off & leave the pool industry in tact" instead of hanging around like a bad smell ".
It would do us all a huge favour !!
Hi Magnaross
ReplyDeleteJust cause u dont like it LOL
This blog is about Magnascam and the SPASA paid endorsement of your SCAM.
Rosco....whats this rubbish about PATENTS. You cannot patent SALT, let me say any mix of salts u are selling it is very easy to change that mix slightly and sell it to the public as the fountain of youth.
Come in suckers!
franki.
ReplyDeleteof course it is possible to patent salt.
salins group in france have patent on salt for swimming pools & so does compass minerals in the United States for Pristiva
Astral Pool even,australia have applied for apatent on their blend of 87% salt 10 % potassium chloride & 3% boric acid.
marc
What's the point of patenting something that is available everywhere?
ReplyDeleteSodium chloride Magnesium and potassium all readily available.
Magnapools mix has little or no Magnesium or Potassium and has no benefit to humans,if these minerals were in there bag salt at levels that are beneficial to humans the pools would be unmanageable withing hours.
As highlighted many times Magnapool is just a salt water chlorinator making the same chlorine as any other chlorinator with the deceptive marketing that it is something else.
franki,
ReplyDeleteyou wish hey !!
you still do not get it do you.
The ingredients in most pharmaceutical drugs are everywhere ,but try to clone it and someone like pfizer will have your butt for breakfast.
suggest you take a trip( with the permission of poolrite) to UQ & talk to Navin & the 3 faculties working with him on further research programs.
Some of the early tests on transdermal absorption are indeed encouraging.
Oh & by the way it's not a function of the mix ,but a function of the immersion time that determines what is absorbed.
FOUR QUESTIONS YOU MUST ASK BEFORE BUYING A MAGNAPOOL SYSTEM.
ReplyDelete1) What level of Magnesium Chloride is in a Magnapool?
2) What level of Magnesium Chloride would start to create any filtration or cement issues?
3) What level of Magnesium Chloride in water would you deem as having a wellness or health benefit to humans?
4) Does Magnapool produce chlorine, and is this chlorine detectable in the pool in the same way as an S4000 chlorinator or any other salt water chlorinator?
The Magnapool is being marketed as an innovative swimming pool sanitiser when Magnapool is a rebadged Poolrite S4000 salt water chlorinator with loads of deceitful marketing and no substance.
There is no disputing that magnesium is beneficial to humans but there is not enough magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to bathers. If there were levels of magnesium that were beneficial to bathers the pool filtration system would fail very quickly and the cement surface of the pool would be destroyed.
Magnapool operates the same way as millions of other brands of salt water chlorinators sold by hundreds of manufactures world-wide.
ignore him he is just a commercial troll for Astral, fishing for more information to have another attempt at "appropriating IP."
ReplyDeleteIt's actually Magnesium Sulphate that causes problems with plaster & cement ,which FS had formulated into Mineral Max formulation.
There are no problems with magnapool in terms of filtration or pool linings.
We do not need any information on Magnapools GREENWASHED SALT WATER CHLORINATOR we knew what it was/is the first time we saw it.
ReplyDeleteThe salt scam is a way to try and capture the residual income that pool shops have with salt water chlorinators.
Lets make a secret scam salt and sell it thru selected resellers....how good has that worked HAHA.
A business model by fools at the Poolrite circus!
franki,
ReplyDeletecalm down other wise you will have a
heart attack.
At peace be with yourself & build your own business
marc.
Magnaross alias marc is there anyone else left at the Mt Gravatt Magnapool circus.
ReplyDeleteWhen you reply please take that silly red nose off.
Yes pop around some time and watch the
ReplyDeletepolystyrene tanks being made .. ha ha ha.
mate you are a total wanker .
I am actually starting to feel sorry for you
I think you need help man . it's unusual to bag something so obviously good for so long .
But i guess if the boss had paid you some obscene amount of money then "magnapool would cease to be a problem."
Hi "Once in a While" "marc" what ever head you have on Magnaross everybody that has ever met you knows you definitely need help.
ReplyDeleteHow many tablets are you on now?
How do you get a small company?
Give Magnaross a big one! LOL
franki,
ReplyDeleteTablets has he "Apple Eye Pad" & testing SAMSUNG GALAXY .
I guess it is the answer 2.
In France now the Samsung Galaxy is taking market share away from Apple, just because we are in our own modest way winning niche market for Europe in magnapool.
Readers please to listen our side of this wonderful product for "piscines" & go to www.relilax.com to see the crown in the jewel at new 25 million euro "wellness centre" for Mirramonte .
Bio Design 750 cube magnapool & smaller one inside the centre.
Owners have decided that magnapool water is better than natural underground "chaud mineraux".
Magnapool is good product so why you spend energy.
Should you sell "heat pump" & focus, hear you will birds singing in morning instead worry about "breach of contract" .
email send to me for "rendez vous" i can solve your problem settle with old court case .
marc
Hi "Once in a While" "marc" what ever head you have on, all this BS about France.
ReplyDeleteThe French and every other country will see thru the Magnapool scam just the same as we have done here in Australia.
Magnapool has crashed and burned here in Australia and the time is running out.
Poolrite the parent company is now trying to distance themselves from the Magnapool mess by this attempt to reinvent themselves with and new product name in Europe for there GREENWASHED S4000 SALTWATER CHLORINATOR.
Same scam diffrent name.
Please read the blog header which was posted months ago.And now only in the last week or so what has came to light regarding SPASA?
ReplyDeleteThe ex CEO of SPASA that had done all the endorsing and supposed vindication of Magnapool is now being investigated by SPASA for the dissapearance of 7 Million Dollars of SPASA funds. SPASA is now almost bankrupt they are selling everything they own just to keep afloat.
Magnapool and the ex CEO of SPASA should be worried .
How much did Ross pay David?
PS who cares about Phoenix Pool Equipment
The repeated questions of GREENWASHING have been answered many times throughout this blog and others to put this issue to rest.
ReplyDeleteFor a summary of all the rubbish above, ignoring the banter and slander, and to answer the topic of this thread;
1. The media is RECYCLED GLASS that filters to below 5 microns.
2. The Magnapool pump has a 7 STAR ENERGY EFFICIENCY RATING.
3. Magnapool water DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO URBAN SALINITY in its backwashing.
4. Diamondkleen media REQUIRES LESS BACKWASHING FREQUENCY AND DURATION.
5. New Titan tank is MADE FROM RECYCLED MATERIAL.
6. Magnapool water CAN BE USED ON YOUR GARDENS
Please cease your persistant slander of a wonderful product that continues to feed my Melbourne business with repeat clientele and referals.
Regards
Willo
Hi Willo.
ReplyDeleteDon't know what blog you have been reading but certainly wasn't this one. LOL
Magnapool have not been able to refute one point raised by this blog and many other blogs and forums regarding there outrageous claims regarding the Magnapool salt water chlorinator.
And Willo you are by your very admission profiting from this deception.
Willo, if you are a pool builder from the Mornington Peninsular promoting Magnapool why are you posting anonymously on here and not naming your company. Could it be you are happy to keep ripping the public off while you can but are not prepared to risk publishing you company name.
ReplyDeleteMy guess you are not a pool builder, you are posting from Magnapool HQ.
Boys Boys Boys, Crikey this is better than daytime television.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this marathon im now more confused.
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/swimmingpoolequipmentaustralia/m.html?hash=item231c306a68&item=150796790376&pt=AU_Pool_Spa_Beach&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562
ReplyDeleteClick on or cut and paste the link above looks like Poolrite have cut loose all there preferred resellers and started to move the Poolrite product on EBAY
DESPERATION SPRINGS TO MIND
So; apart from a few good years work for Dr Phil to sort out some of the personality issues in this Blog.....
ReplyDeleteJust doing the pre pool buying research and recntly returned from this weekends Brisbane pool show. 8 of 10 builders used magna pool other 2 use ionisers, so wont get them to quote.
Q: What does the information above leave the average consumer???
There are only 2 camps , either you love or hate it and strangely not one view for the middle ground. Interesting that none thinks in the middle. So does an average consumer go with it or not?
Used my real name to...I work in the shipping industry and back home on leave
Hi Simon a WARNING from Dr Phil on no account swim in a Magnapool it will turn you into a paranoid schizophrenic with huge tendencies to Megalomania.... LOL.
ReplyDeletehttp://rightscrewedbypoolrite.wordpress.com/
ReplyDeleteCut and paste the link above and read what a satisfied customer has to say.
You may ask yourself "Is Magnapool worth the high cost". Here is the truth about MagnaPool and how much it costs and in my opinion if MagnaPool is worth the high costs of being a premium product.
ReplyDeleteFact: I am a Magna Pool Owner and have been for around 17 months
Fact: My Pool is around 60,000 litres
Fact: I know nothing about the technical or scientific components so am not coming from that angle
Fact: I got my pool builder several sales so he gave me MagnaPool at no additional cost (Which I was happy about as he originally quoted me an additional $1500)
Fact: I really wanted MagnaPool as I read the marketing material
Fact: Besides the health benefits of MagnaPool and a daughter with Eczema I believed MagnaPool was like a fresh mountain stream
Fact: I have a glass fence totally surrounding my pool and I did not want salt streaks on my glass
Outcome 1: First Disappointment is that every time someone swims in my pool, I have salt streaks splashes and cloudy residue all over my glass. The web page does not mention it is a mineral/salt type based product of any sort and nobody advised me of such.
Outcome 2: Good aspect about Magnapool salt is it is not harsh or corrosive and if I don't hose it off it has generally gone from the glass by the next morning.
Outcome 3: Has been great for my daughters Eczema
Outcome 4: Great to swim in and does not smell or feel bad after getting out. Unlike swimming in other types of pools, we do not need to wash our daughters hair after they swim (and believe me my wife is a clean freak and would not normally allow this to happen. Her sister is even worse)
Outcome 5: Other than a dose of acid weekly and a stabiliser in the much hotter months I do not need to add anything else other than the MagnaPool minerals.
Outcome 6: The MagnaPool Hydroxinator (controller) under mineral test states my chemicals levels are OK. I take my water sample to a trained MagnaPool shop and they say I need 5, 8 and even 12 bags.
Outcome 6: Now here is the clincher. A bag of standard salt is around $7-$11 per 20kg bag. Magnapool Minerals are $33.50-$35 per 10kg bag making it $66-$70 for the equivalent 20kg (i.e. 600% more expensive). This means when I was advised 4 months after putting in 8 bags (Being around $280) I needed another 12 bags (being $402) I just about fell over. Remember, I am buying what amounts to salt for my pool, not a 32 inch plasma television or a HD Video recorder. In the past 12 months I have had to put in 24 bags i.e. over $804. I know it has rained a heap lately, however even if I took 8 bags off it would still be around $540.
Outcome 7: I have been in contact with Poolrite regarding these costs and they have been of little assistance other than to say, get your water tested more often so you can more evenly spread the cost.
Summary: I am not sure how much the average person would spend on chemicals for a pool annually however being a relatively new pool owner I am shocked at the running cost of Magnapool and the minerals. They do say you do not need to buy clarifiers, conditioners etc which I agree with, however I don't know if they would all amount to the $800 plus my minerals are costing me per year.
Would I buy again?: I don't know. I love the product however I truly believe I am being taken advantage of and wish their patents ran out as I am sure their pricing would drop considerably then. If I was in the market again I would definitely do my homework more thoroughly and look at alternatives and their costs. If Magnapool were a more realistic premium i.e. $20-$30 per 20kg being double to triple the price of standard salt I would have no hesitation on installing it again.
I guess the question now is if Poorite/magnapool want to work on encouraging a totally loyal band of users or to ostracise us with extremely high costs so that we will not even consider them once our systems wear out.
I hope this helps you all as I have not been able to find a factual, comprehensive user experience on Magnapool anywhere.
Cheers all Zed Man
Zed Man
ReplyDeleteMany Thanks for your time and detailed respose
I also am looking at Magna pool for the same reasons as you did; for the kids Eczema
,clean freak wife {as in the kids} and running costs.
Intersting the bag amount you use, as I have been told you need only 4 per year...wonder if the reduced electricity costs compensate at all with covering some of these costs.
Agree with your last sentiments about salt costs and finding a unbiased factual user experience, what I have been looking for.
So Agian most usefull post I have seen on this subject
Rgds Simon
Hi again Simon, I realised you wondered "if the reduced electricity costs compensate". I am not sure where you heard reduced electricity costs are a benefit as we need to run ours for 8 hours a day in summer and can reduce down to 4 hours in winter. From my knowledge this is pretty well standard.
DeleteIf you have not yet set up your pool, I would look into the new range of ePump allowing you to run them at far lower capacity which can save you considerable amount of dollars. There are some approx calculators on the Zodiac Web site so do some homework.
Cheers Zed Man
Simon
ReplyDeleteHappy to be of help and to answer any other questions people may have regarding the product from a user perspective. My experience in regards to the number of bags is that 4 would not even get you through summer.
Both pool shops I have used (both being MagnaPool trained) have made comment that other users have been surprised at the cost and amount required as well.
In my opinion, if they want to get a pool shop on board to support and supply their product, they can’t make it too cheap. Reason being is the pool shop would not be happy if their turn over dropped as Magnapool does not require clarifiers, conditioners etc so the cost of the salt needs to compensate for the loss in those sales. I still believe over $800 for MagnaPool salt/minerals for a 12 month period is rather steep.
I agree with the claim in the reduction for the need to backwash (around twice a year is all I need to do), however in reality, water is a hell of a lot cheaper than the cost of the mineral/salt and system.
Once again I do like the product; I am just extremely disappointed in the gouging at our wallets once they have you. I hope they see the errors of their ways and become more realistic in their pricing.
Cheers again Zed Man
Hi Zed Man,
DeleteIt is a shame that the minerals are costly, but they aren't the same as traditional pool salt. Please also note that the last couple of years we have had abnormal amounts of rain, up to 1.5m in one rain period, flushing our all your chemicals. The minerals are similar of that of the runnings to a salt pool - you will only loose through dilution.
One thing I tell my customers is when large amounts of rain is forecast, turn off the magnapool, when the pool fills from the rain, waste the water or let it over flow. Once rain has passed, and you have "wasted" water to bring back water level to normal, then switch your filter on. This has helped with many of my customers!
When you have the filter on you are mixing fresh water with your magnapool water, then wasting the water obviously dilutes and wastes the minerals. When you leave the filter off, the pool water will sit at the bottom, and rain water will sit on top :)
Give it a go! Cuts down the bucket load of magnapool minerals you require.
SIMON- the new magnapool systems come with a 2 speed pump and acid feeder.
Hi Guys....this is a scam, the salt they are selling as mineral salt for $80 for what you can buy at Woolies for $10.
ReplyDeleteAsk the Magnapool reseller how much Magnesium and Potassium is actually in the bag they are selling you,
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SELLING YOU FOR SUCH AND INFLATED PRICE.
Make no mistake Magnapool is a Salt Water chlorinator just like any other on the market.
This is no innovation just a massive con, and it is falling apart at the seems.
oh Anonymous, how wrong you are in your information.
ReplyDeleteMagnapool minerals are not $80, and if you are paying more than $33 a bag you are being ripped off!
Woolies salt IS different to pool salt a pool shop sells!
I note that I have done a factual account of my experience on the benefits and pitfalls of the Magnapool product abpve. I have left out all the emotion and stated facts and outcomes only. I have in my opinion praised it where it is due and I have criticised it where it is warranted .
ReplyDeleteI have done all of this in an attempt to give those who are considering purchasing one, a real life, unbiased opinion. This has all been done to try and sift through all the bantering between what looks like two competitors with bees in their bonnets.
As it is obvious someone in the know (I am assuming Poolrite personnel) is checking this blog, I would like to ask why no comments were made in regards to the entry I made on the 23rd May above about having to use 24 bags in the past 12 month period when your site estimates around 5-6 for a 50,000 litre pool. As mine is 60,000 litres I expect another couple of bags bringing it to 8-10 bags. Add another 5 for all the rain (which is equivalent to a whole 50,000 litre pool for 1 year) and that brings me to 15 bags. I had to put in 24 bags which equates to the cost of a plasma Television for what amounts to one year’s worth of Magnapool minerals.
Also as a word of advice (and remember I love your product, I am just peeved at how much Magnapool costs to run), why don't you put on the outside of your bag the percent of Magnesium, the percent of Potassium and the percent of Sodium. This will then silence your critics or make you accountable for what is actually in the bags. You are protected commercially as you have a patent on the minerals. This way we can disregard all the negative comments made about the content of your minerals and feel somewhat better about the $33-$35 per 10KG bag we have to pay Which I hope will reduce in cost soon and prior to your patent running out.
I would also like an answer on why my pool supposedly uses a hell of a lot more minerals than what you stipulate on your page and documentation.
I am looking forward to your reply
Cheers and best regards, Zed Man
Unfortunately owning a pool costs money ,but in my experience owning a magnapool costs less.
ReplyDelete1. There are bigger issues than the cost of a bag of magnapool minerals which if you do a little research you will understand that the only way you can lose minerals is through "excessive rain"
and overflow or "excessive backwashing".
2. Customers who come to my pool shop would use say between 3 & 5 bags per year on an average 8m x 4m pool.
3. The water clarity is nothing short of amazing & this is because of the VMF Titan filter which
traps particles down to between 1 & 3 microns.
I have seen customers on the old G75 tank backwash only once per year & then only 500 litres at that, which can be used on the lawn & garden.
So that is water neutral in my book & if you manage to backwash during a heavy rain period it is actually water accretive.
Sand filters filter down to 80 micron & every bit of particulate matter below that is being oxidized
to a chlorinated hydrocarbon .
4. Of a bigger concern is if you have a cartridge filter ,then you do have to worry about excessive costs.
A new 4 cartridge installation costs $1,900 retail and yes you filter down to 15 micron but you have to allow between $430 & $860 per year for replacement cartridges as well as cleaning them every 8 weeks.
Just cleaning cartridges properly will use 4,000 litres of water per year with a lot of people hosing them in their driveway & down the stormwater,
Manufacturers of cartridge filters do not explain the cost of these things but if you go to the OEM supplier to all pool cartridge manufacturers in New Zealand , (Magnum Filters) they will explain
that you really need to change them between 1 & 2 years & clean them every 8 weeks regardless of how many cartridges are in the filter. ( That is because cartridges harbour green sticky stuff called alginate which is a "fancy term" for Legionella excreting a shield over their mass to avoid being sanitized.
Cartridges are nasty & dirty things which kill a number of people in Spas & Pools each year through Legionella which is also found in water cooloing towers.
5. When i look at the pleadings of the poster of this blog 1 Pooltech , I cannot help but draw
some similarities between the verbage & that of the ENVIRO SWIM website.
These are the folks that sell "copper silver " ionizers which by law have to also use chlorine
for residual effect.
6. All the bleatings about Magnapool being just another salt chlorinator which they loudly espoused at the Brisbane Pool & spa show last weekend. I went to their stand as a mystery shopper & have tape recordings from the Pommy Snake Oil salesmen not too subtley push their "HEAVY METAL POTION" as the panacea to all & chlorine free .
That is not correct as the federal APVMA authority require a "chlorine additive" for copper & silver
ionizers at 1 part per million.
They claim you are swimming in "fresh water" but in reality you are swimming in "HEAVY METALS."
7.According to Queensland Environmental Protection Act of 1994 to discharge Copper or Sodium Chloride salt back into the stormwater is ILLEGAL and subject to a $16,000 fine.
My magnapool customers can sleep easily at night knowing they are not vandalizing our grandchildren's future by backwashing Copper or Sodium Chloride salt into intermittent waterholes via the stormwater & screwing the eco system forever.
8.Each year Australians backwash 150,000 tonne of salt & millions of litres of "Coppered Water" back into the eco system.
9. Methinks that ENVIRO SWIM "protesteth too much" & in fact it is companies like them that
"gild the lilly" & in fact more likely to be Greenwashing.
Hi Guys.
ReplyDeleteAs a very interested reader who came across this website whilst researching for our new pool and will be in the market for pool equipment very soon. I would like to ask a question regarding purchase price and operating costs of The Magnapool pool cleaner and the other brands.
Is any info available of comparative buying and running costs?
Janis
Hi Janis, I have done a relatively comprehensive blog on my experiences as a Magnapool owber and user for around 17 months. See above dated 23 May 2012 00:37.
DeleteI have left out all the emotion and hype as I believe many are trying to find this information out and can only find a lot of tooing and frowing between two competitors with bees in their bonnets. I have also followed up with a couple of other bits of info which may assist. Press Control (ctrl F) for find on this page and search for Zed Man to find my info. Hope this helps and am happy to answer any other questions. Good luck. Simply put, I find it a great product however it is costing me far more than what I expected and way more than the recommendations by Magnapool even with all the rain we have had.
Cheers Zed Man
Hi Zed Man.
ReplyDeleteI have read all your posts again, thank you for your valued info.
I realise there will be a cost in running our new pool but I am trying to get the best equipment that will last and be cost effective and a big consideration is the on going cost.
What would you say was your average weekly costs $ wise for chemicals minerals and electricity with your pool?
Your first hand knowledge is invaluable and appreciated.
Regards Janis
Hi again Janis, In answer to your questions my usage is based around a 8m x 4 m pool with a 2m x 2m spa. I have had to use 24 bags on magnapool minerals in a 12 month period.
DeleteThat works out to 24 x $33=$792. (I estimate around 5 of these bags are due to the extreme rain diluting the minerals) this would reduce the cost by around 5 x $33 being $165. Saying that the drought has broken and ongoing heavy rains may actually be the norm. Will have to wait and see)
I use around 300-500ml acid every week which would work out to around $65 per 12 month. This is more an issue with a concrete pool and far less if it is Fibreglass
In the hotter months I also need to add stabiliser to reduce the sun burning off the chlorine produced by the MagnaPool. This would work out to around $16-$40. (this can be reduced by using a pool blanket which will also keep the pool warmer)
Depending on the pool interior, if it is Quartzon or the like you will need to add Calstop every 6 months which is around $70 x 2 = $140. Calstop reduces the calcium build up on the surface of your pool. (not required for Fibreglass and I am not sure if required for fully tiled pool)
Other than the above, that is all we really need for our Magnapool.
In summer we need to run the pumpmagnapool hydoxinator for around 8 hours per day and we use a 1.5hp pump. In winter we can get down to 4 hours per day. Basing it on 6 months at 8 hours and 6 months at 4 hours the costs would be around $550 per year. Since I installed my pool I believe Poolrite/Magnapool offer a 2 speed pump which would likely be less. I would suggest you look into some of the newer magnetic type pumps which can be "slowed down" and actually run up to 24 hours per day (or less) at a fraction of the cost.
Based on all of the above, the costs add up to around $1,587. Before I started I was going to estimate $1500 per year so it is surprising after breaking it all down it has ended up pretty well spot on.
The other benefit to you is that it keeps husbands/partners out of the house a bit longer having to maintain it.
Cheers and good luck Zed Man
http://www.internationalpoolproducts.com.au/products/ecofresh-ep-22-22-gramshour/
ReplyDeleteEcofresh the future.
Please cut and paste or click on the link above to the new alternative that can be used with pool salt or Magnesium salt.
Had a look at the Ecofresh system above.
ReplyDeleteIs this Ecofresh unit above a re badged cheaper Magnapool unit?
They are saying it will operate with sodium or Magnesium, and the people selling it are Poolrite agents.
That is not a Poolrite product, no.
DeleteYou could ring the guys at IPP and ask who makes it though.
There are two types of unit Poolrite does at present the radionet classic or the outdoor computer which has an acid doser built in and wireless pump controller and a few other cool features. Pretty easy to set up too.
Mind you they are both switchable between magnapool and higher tds salt pools.
How stupid are the Poolrite/Magnapool team. Now there is a poolrite agent that is selling a basic salt water chlorinator highlighting in the advert that it also works with magnesium chloride. A Poolrite agent that is vindicating everything I have said regarding greenwashing, deception, misrepresentation and the lies that magnapool have presenting through their media and posts on blogs.
ReplyDeleteIs there something in the water in Australia that is creating this stupidity. Magnesium maybe.
Adrian Hart, Professor Barnard & Queensland University you all continue to support Magnapool through your code of silence. Please take a minute to answer the earlier questions so readers can understand how you justify your continued support of Magnapool and refute my claims.
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ReplyDeleteHey guys. A chemical is a chemical. And, the opening of this forum suggests its point is to counter the 'greenwashing' of a certain product and industry. As a fellow marketer, might I suggest there's been enough mud slinging?
ReplyDeleteMore to the point, if it is continuing to add chemicals to the environment can it truly be counted as a 'greening' of the planet?
I think that should be the question answered here.
"A chemical is a chemical", while this may be true, there certainly are good, bad and ugly chemicals. In other words not all chemicals are equal and not all are bad. H20 is a chemical, without it we will die, if plants don't get it they will die. Sodium chloride is a chemical that will actually makes plants die. Then there are chemicals that do good in small quantities, but in large quantities are extremely harmful. Chemicals make the world go round, just have to choose the good from the bad.
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ReplyDeleteThis is the very first time I have come across this site and certainly have never posted on it.
DeleteI endorse totally the greenmail allegations against Magnapool and confirm totally the statements made by various posters.Those of you who know me will believe and understand I am telling the truth.I have no axe to grind other than the truth.
I am not 1 Poolman or any of the above posters.Marc, if you read this you will understand. The personal attacks have been vile to say the least.
Good news everyone is that this is all over, thank god.
I gave you the drum on the Ross Palmer Poolrite Group financial situation back in 2011 and guess what? The situation is much worse.
Alan Miller has advised Poolrite staff that "it is all over and the liquidators will move in later this week"
Staff were advised to look for jobs elsewhere and many have rung the industry looking for work.Have had this confirmed by several people today.
This is a tragedy for a once proud and reputable company propelled by a complete madman down the path of scientific stupidity with nothing behind him but blatant bravado and self invented marketing hype.
I am sure the next few days will unfold all.
The tragedy is the many people both past and present whose lives have, and will be damaged by this egotistical man.
Numerous sources have now relayed this further.
I am interested in the Davinci comments as a plastics engineer. I saw it at Barcelona and had the opportunity to prod and pick at it a bit.Very light and soft.
DeleteYou are correct it was only a painted moch up and typically these are made as stage props in polystyrene.Very pretty but nothing like finishs you get from IM machines.
To do this in pressure vessel grade plastic there would need to be several injection moulding and perhaps rotational mould tools machined,
Cost of these, even ex China, would be in the $millions.
Doubt Poolrite would have the readies to do that so I guess zero sales will result.
If the above is correct then it is academic anyway.
Ross,
ReplyDeletewhat a total mess you have made and what a shame that a once brilliant company was scuttled by a fool like you.
Many great people joined Poolrite with the best of intentions to help you grow a great industry name, you destroyed them all, their ideas, drive and spirit.
You were left with nothing but the the ass kissers who schemed behind backs to better their own miserable lives by removing others.
I rejoice in this news and have waited for it for sometime.
You always said that this company was nothing but a hobby, you never realised that this was the lively hood of others.
Its over now, go write your book foolish man.
Good comment above, let us do A LOSS ANALYSIS OF THIS IMBECILES BUSSINESS CAREER AND THE ENORMOUS DAMAGE HE HAS DONE.
ReplyDeleteALL OF WHICH CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED BUT NOT HERE NOW.
1. PTM sold as the banks circled, took ANI shares and lost $38 million there. Admits to that in this blogg above.
2. $10 million lost in hippies
3. $20 million lost in Procar and it was scuttled
3. $5 million lost with a Kiwi dog in so called IP megamantis.
4. Lost $20 million from his inheritance and I understand more of his siblings as well so that could be as high as $40 million.
5. Kerry Packer stupidity on ANI board, and they finally sacked him from that, caused losses at ANI exceeding $2billion. Ross, that was your real crowning glory.
6. I am picking losses in the Poolrite fiasco will top $25 million.
7. The past CEO, Frank, has him in the Supreme Court for over $600,000 with interest and legals going back 6 years for breach of contract, unpaid bonuses, superannuation,annual leave etc. Sorry Franki you can write that off as i bet there will be zero distribution in the final washup.
What a complete disaster and pain for the literally hundreds of good people that have been affected by this monster.
Your mother once predicted you will end up stacking shelves in Woolworths and I bet you cock that up as well.
Grossly affected.
On matters Ross Palmer.
DeleteI viewded his comments in Splash that he "sold his Palmer Tube Mills for $205million", so the above somewhat perplexs me as he also claimed in BRM that he had a net worth of $186 million in about 2003. I got to wondering about all this as one does on a quite night.
I also know a modest and very knowlegable chap on matters Ross Palmer as he was financially involved in a hands on role with the man about that time. He is also quoted above in this blogg.
One Chateau pap de neuf, so I called him and he clarified this for me and I itemise here for the record.
A real Chanticleer on matters Ross Palmer.
Perhaps Chris Maher, editor of Splash can set the record straight in the next news email.
1- Palmer never sold PTM as it was not his to sell it was a public company.
2- He held 38% of the shares, and there were large borrowings on this asset, never mind that.
3- He swapped his 38% of the shares for a small cash sum with the majority in ANI shares.
4- Based on a total PTM valuation of $205 million his swap was worth about $78million.Fact
5- The Kerry Packer exposure and his sacking from the board resulted in a huge drop in ATM shares,see above and a loss, his quote above, of $38million when he finally sold out.Timing was good as ANI finally went bust and he would have lost the lot.
5- So he finally got $40 million from the sale of his shares in ANI, not $205 million as he quoted.
Thank you Chateau pap de neuf for this very astute analysis.
Perhaps Ross was misquoted in his information to Splash.
I think not and this says it all.
He is aconsumate liar.
Seems latest is our Ross has now been put in a psychiatric home.Happened before of course, nothing new.
DeleteSad but now there is the total mess for someone to clean up if this is now possible.
There are several past CEO's who may be considered.
What a debacle.
Word is Monday for "pulling the pin on Mt Gravatt"